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Intel Core Ultra 9 285k 'Arrow Lake' Discussion/News ("15th gen") on LGA-1851

SpellowHouse said:
You think that £500 for an 8 core CPU is cheaper? I think it shows that AMD are very aggressive on their pricing when there is no competition.
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If you know the true cost of design / development, BOM and packackging then please enlighten me. On the other hand, just what would Intel or Nvidia charge for the best gaming CPU on the planet?
 
I don’t think the Battlemage series will be winning any prizes, because Intel opted to fab it with TSMC’s 6nm process.

Nvidia used the N4 TSMC process for the RTX 4000 series (still 5nm apparently).

EDIT - I’ve seen conflicting reports on whether it will utilise a 4nm or 6nm process.

I suppose we should know by tomorrow.
 
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g67575 said:
I don’t think the Battlemage series will be winning any prizes, because Intel opted to fab it with TSMC’s 6nm process.

Nvidia used the N4 TSMC process for the RTX 4000 series (still 5nm apparently).

EDIT - I’ve seen conflicting reports on whether it will utilise a 4nm or 6nm process.

I suppose we should know by tomorrow.
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Doesn't look like they are going for the top end of the market, rather the budget end. And that's probably a very wise move.
intel still have to be prepared for failures on the GPU side of things, they are new to the game.
I just hope they keep going on the long-haul.
 
cebri said:
But people tell me 20A was cancelled because it was bad.
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Personally, never thought it was bad. Shame they couldn’t produce the damn thing though. There were lots of innovations planned alongside 20a, in addition to EUV lithography use for desktop CPUs, so it would have been significant.

They admitted earlier this year, that they couldn’t produce it at scale, due to a high defect rate.

Ultimately, Intel’s success largely depends on being able to fabricate their own chips (including CPUs and GPUs).

I wish they could bring back Anandtech…
 
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The good news about the Battlemage chips, is that the transistor density is higher than the Alchemist series, at approx. 72.05 / mm² (vs 53.4M / mm² for Alchemist).

The bad news, is that they are using a 5nm EUV process, presumably one that is inferior to the one Nvidia used for the RTX 4000 series.

All the currently available GPUs are fabbed on TSMC processes, but Nvidia seems to be quite a bit ahead in terms of transistor density, with a figure of 121.8M / mm² for GPUs like the RTX 4070 and RTX 4070 Super.

AMD is not that much behind Nvidia at least at the higher end, with a transistor density of 109.1M / mm² for Navi31 GPUs.

Personally, I think Intel will be doing well if they can produce a higher end GPU that matches or beats cards like the RX 7700XT. And hopefully force some price competition.
 
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Legion said:
wccftech.com

Intel 0x114 Patch In The Works, Will Probably Address The Lackluster Gaming Performance Core Ultra 200S CPUs Currently Offer

Intel's latest Arrow Lake microcode might be rolled out as the "0x114" patch as hinted by ASUS and will be coming to Z890 motherboards soon.
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Finally.

I know there are some motherboard testers holding off until a patch is out, so shouldn't be too long before we get some actual numbers.

intel can still "somewhat" turn this around. I doubt they can completely recover the situation, but a good patch will help.

I will want to understand what they have done, though, before I leap in with my cash!

Personally, I think the 9800X3D is overhyped. It is certainly a good CPU, but there are some aspects of the intel that I find more appealing. In particular the interesting new RAM, the low power consumption on idle, and of course the better performance in other apps. But, I am not about to buy one if performance is flaky, and gaming is worse than the 14th gen. It has to at least match the 14th gen in that department. Honestly I would have bought a 9800X3D by now, but the lack of availability is killing and the price hiking doesn't help.
 
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Legion said:
wccftech.com

Intel 0x114 Patch In The Works, Will Probably Address The Lackluster Gaming Performance Core Ultra 200S CPUs Currently Offer

Intel's latest Arrow Lake microcode might be rolled out as the "0x114" patch as hinted by ASUS and will be coming to Z890 motherboards soon.
wccftech.com wccftech.com
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Does anybody now what the "changelog" of those microcode patches are? I installed the latest Gigabyte BIOS 10d for my mainboard with 0x113 microcode and would like to know what the changes are. But could not find any information.
 
I would expect much. Most of the benchmarks show the chip performing as expected. Outliers will (probably) be fixed. But the most of the performance “issues” (people treating this chip as if it’s bulldozer) won’t go away.

Biggest issue with this chip is perf/price.
 
cebri said:
I would expect much. Most of the benchmarks show the chip performing as expected. Outliers will (probably) be fixed. But the most of the performance “issues” (people treating this chip as if it’s bulldozer) won’t go away.

Biggest issue with this chip is perf/price.
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I'm not interested in the 9, but the 7 is interesting. But they need to lift the gaming performance to equal the 14700K or I won't bite.
 
I'm not trying to be rude and up until this 7800x3d I've had literally only intel cpus, but who in the world is discussing buying an intel CPU in late 2024? That would be sheer loyalty to a... corporation?
 
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