NVIDIA RTX 50 SERIES - Technical/General Discussion

[Absolutely Clueless]

I think what people have to realise with Nvidia GPU launches right now, is that the "launch" date is not really the launch date. Not properly anyway.

They just launch the product early before they can build loads of stock/inventory, to manufacture hype and keep prices up.

Everyone should try and just forget that these have technically "launched" and just wait a few months. Just sort of pretend they don't exist yet and set your watches to 3 - 6 months from now or something. Same process should be put into practice for every launch form now onwards.

Spot on. Two things: 1) the launch date is 3-6 months after the state date, and 2) MSRP isn't the actual MSRP. Even months after launch it can easily be 20+% more.

 

[silvagti]

I noticed many of the RTX 5080 cards have the option to select between "performance" and "silent/quite" BIOS options. Has anyone tried playing around with these? Presumably there's a performance hit when dropping to the "silent" setting ?

Can anyone confirm the impact on performance by changing this setting?

 

[Sedgey123]

Yes this is the closest the 70 ti and 80 have been in a long while on paper. My plan was 5080 MSRP or 5070 ti. I think the 5070 ti could be even harder to get than the 5080 though!

Unless you get the FE, it isn't like the 5070Ti is going to be cheap.. An AIB is going to be £800+ card and the "top" end are going to be closer to £1000+ which is 5080 money.

 

[Absolutely Clueless]

I noticed many of the RTX 5080 cards have the option to select between "performance" and "silent/quite" BIOS options. Has anyone tried playing around with these? Presumably there's a performance hit when dropping to the "silent" setting ?

Can anyone confirm the impact on performance by changing this setting?

I doubt there will be any meaningful performance difference. It is usually just a different fan curve, so the quiet bios will run hotter.

 

[Sideeffect]

Unless you get the FE, it isn't like the 5070Ti is going to be cheap.. An AIB is going to be £800+ card and the "top" end are going to be closer to £1000+ which is 5080 money.

Yes that's what I thought as well, the 5070 ti is the better deal but so obviously so that the price will creep up closer to the 5080 MSRP unless AMD can really compete. I actually thought the 5080 would be the easier one to get, but I didn't expect Nvidia not to make any!

 

[Sideeffect]

I noticed many of the RTX 5080 cards have the option to select between "performance" and "silent/quite" BIOS options. Has anyone tried playing around with these? Presumably there's a performance hit when dropping to the "silent" setting ?

Can anyone confirm the impact on performance by changing this setting?

I had that option on my 1070 Like Absolutely Clueless said it's just a different fan profile and sometimes the clocks and voltage can be lower. The thing is it's better to just use the performance option and then control those things in software like afterburner unless you are using Linux or something without good software control.

Edit - It's more useful when you can flash the BIOS because you can keep one as stock for recovery and the other for tweaking.

 

[ne0]

Option a) You're picking one available market and using a worstcase option as a reason to never do it. I have seen used 4090s for less in other places including here.

Option b) You have to be willing to overclock your brand new card, and hope to hit 3.2Ghz to even be close to the 4090.

You're using a worstcase 4090 story against a bestcase 5080 story and it's still a 50/50 case of what I would do.

Well I and many others wouldn't spend in excess of £1000 on a used GPU full stop. A used product is just that and the price should reflect the fact it's used but that's not the case with the 4090, the used prices are just silly.

 

[heatonpkmassive]

I think what people have to realise with Nvidia GPU launches right now, is that the "launch" date is not really the launch date. Not properly anyway.

They just launch the product early before they can build loads of stock/inventory, to manufacture hype and keep prices up.

Everyone should try and just forget that these have technically "launched" and just wait a few months. Just sort of pretend they don't exist yet and set your watches to 3 - 6 months from now or something. Same process should be put into practice for every launch form now onwards.

Agree.

And when people tell others "wait, new graphics cards are just around the corner", don't listen to them. Factor in 6 months after 'launch'.

Oh and if you are able to, don't sell your old card before you have the new one in hand. Appreciate this isn't something everyone can do.

 

[Sargatanas2511]

Well I and many others wouldn't spend in excess of £1000 on a used GPU full stop. A used product is just that and the price should reflect the fact it's used but that's not the case with the 4090, the used prices are just silly.

You're welcome to your opinion and decisions, but I don't know how much basis you have for "many others". I know when I spend my money I get the best I can for the money whether it's buying a gpu, a car or a TV.

 

[ne0]

You're welcome to your opinion and decisions, but I don't know how much basis you have for "many others". I know when I spend my money I get the best I can for the money whether it's buying a gpu, a car or a TV.

Ok please point me towards a reasonably priced, used 4090 with warranty left (because obviously it would be insane to buy one without any at all). Genuinely asking so please share the details of these bargain 4090s and I will consider them. Cheers.

 

[Sargatanas2511]

Ok please point me towards a reasonably priced, used 4090 with warranty left (because obviously it would be insane to buy one without any at all). Genuinely asking so please share the details of these bargain 4090s and I will consider them. Cheers.

No competitor links are allowed, so I can't do that. You're welcome to look around though.

Mate what you do is completely up to you and I have no problem with that, I know I would be looking at a 4090 over a 5080 though.

 

[ne0]

No competitor links are allowed, so I can't do that. You're welcome to look around though.

Mate what you do is completely up to you and I have no problem with that, I know I would be looking at a 4090 over a 5080 though.

You can't even hint? DM me the deets? Come on man, you've got me all excited now. I need to know about these bargain 4090's so I can be saved from the 5080 GPU from hell.

 

[Joxeon]

3080Ti owner here who has had my head buried in the sand after the huge pain of paying £1,200 for a higher-spec card due to shortages.

When the heck did the '80 series breach £1k?!?! I was so distrought spending >£1k on the 3080 Ti I have only just now resurfaced to look at new hardware, but these prices for a non-Ti is crazy, or am I just out of touch?

It’s gone down hill fast since the 30 series, the worst part is they they are now using a die which would would have gone into the 60ti/70 class in the past.

 

[Joxeon]

There will be a limit somewhere but I don't think we are close to it for the flagship. People were paying significantly more for a 3080 and 3090 back in the shortage times than a 5090 is now and we have undergone a fair amount of inflation and wage increases since then.

Those 30 series cards were money printers though and in many ways worth the premium, if you held onto the coins till now then they would be worth the equivalent to mining around £40 a day.

 

[IT Troll]

Not just for Blackwell. $10bn is what they've spent on R&D in total the last couple of years, that's total R&D spend so covers everything plus R&D spending is cumulative over the lifetime of a company, even after a company is long dead in the form of IP being sold off to other companies.

It was CNBC interview about Blackwell in which Jensen said “the R&D budget of this generation is probably something like $10 billion USD”. As with all Nvidia figures, to be taken with a pinch of salt.

 

[cp_997]

I personally wouldn’t buy a second hand 4090 (or any GPU). These cards are coming up to 2.5 years old and could have been mistreated. What seems odd are people are paying over what they cost in 2022, 2023 and 2024, so if they really wanted a 4090 why not buy one when it was the latest card and brand new for £1500?

 

[Absolutely Clueless]

It was CNBC interview about Blackwell in which Jensen said “the R&D budget of this generation is probably something like $10 billion USD”. As with all Nvidia figures, to be taken with a pinch of salt.

The small print after the interview did say MDG was used (Multi Dollar Generator). So in reality likely to be around $2.5bn.

 

[Joxeon]

I personally wouldn’t buy a second hand 4090 (or any GPU). These cards are coming up to 2.5 years old and could have been mistreated. What seems odd are people are paying over what they cost in 2022, 2023 and 2024, so if they really wanted a 4090 why not buy one when it was the latest card and brand new for £1500?

Blame those paying up to £1700 for the 5080 if those were 1k then 4090s would be around £1200, the 4090 is a faster card with more VRAM so it’s worth more.

 

[Nitefly]

Blame those paying up to £1700 for the 5080 if those were 1k then 4090s would be around £1200, the 4090 is a faster card with more VRAM so it’s worth more.

The 5080 isn’t worth £1700, but a used 4090 isn’t worth £1200 either.

… to me anyway. But someone (… or something!) out these seems to be buying for these utterly captain insano prices.

 

[cp_997]

Blame those paying up to £1700 for the 5080 if those were 1k then 4090s would be around £1200, the 4090 is a faster card with more VRAM so it’s worth more.

Yes I agree it’s worth more brand new, I bought a 4090 but that was in October 2022 from a retailer not a marketplace. Second hand is a different game though, as no warranty and could have not been looked after. I’m also confused as the founders edition 4090 dropped to £1500 in 2023, so people could have bought that with 3 years warranty and actually used it, instead of waiting to 2025 and pay more for it second hand?