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I haven't noticed all that many people thanking amd for the 4080 super, which was just nvidia dropping the price of the 4080 without saying that's what they were doing.
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Most of us wont forget the 4080 12GB unlaunched. The supers are always good but its a year into the gen cycle.
Nvidia didn’t forget either, they learned that they should have simply released the 4080 12GB as a 4080 and priced it at $1000.
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You're surprised people want competition to bring prices down?
Is it common in other walks of life for people to want monopolies to exist so that prices will rise?
Not what they said at all. While it is an overgeneralisation, there are a significant number of people who never consider AMD, even when they are competitive. When AMD arguably had a better cheaper product their market share still shrank. The excuses tends to change but the premise is the same.
AMD have bad drivers
AMD don’t have PhysX
AMD don’t have 3D
AMD don’t have RT
AMD don't have Gsynch
AMD don’t have DLSS
No, I’m not defending AMD, they can be just as bad as Nvidia and some on that list at least have some merit.
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Completely correct. Then people wonder why AIB/retailer/scalpers sell cards for 30% above msrp. There was me thinking picking up a 5080 should be straight forward, all 40 series guys dipped out and mocking it, reviewers probably worst feedback ever.. then launch day sold out with partner cards selling for £1400+. Then go and post in the AMD forums to vent their anger 
Yup.
5080s/5090s going for £1700/£3000, big issues with the latest driver, awful supply, awful generational improvement, shady product segmentation...
But a card potentially 15% slower than the 5080 can't cost more than $499 or there'll be hell to pay.
5080s/5090s going for £1700/£3000, big issues with the latest driver, awful supply, awful generational improvement, shady product segmentation...
But a card potentially 15% slower than the 5080 can't cost more than $499 or there'll be hell to pay.
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The choice to go Nvidia this time for me was driven by availability. I wanted to get my PC built now, rather than wait for some nebulous date in March. But my perception is definitely that DLSS is a better technology than FSR, and that Nvidia's software has greater games support than AMDs.
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One popped up on my alerts this morning 2857.99 its insane. No it wasn't a 5090.
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Of course everyone has their preference and that is perfectly fine. But to address some of your points objectively. The problem with the DLSS being better mantra, is that for the same price you tend to get about 20% - 30% extra performance. So the need to use DLSS in the first place is diminished. Also at 4K and to a lesser extent 1440p, a good FSR implementation is indistinguishable from DLSS without pixel peeping. The fact FSR4 is improved on RDNA4 is a bonus and worth waiting to see how it compares.
No disrespect, but the notion that Nvidia gives better games support is going to need clarification. There is not a single game you can’t play on an AMD GPU.
To help give an example of what I mean. When I got a 7900 XT for my son it cost me £630 in July 2023. The equivalent price Nvidia GPU was an RTX 4070 12GB at £590.
The 7900 XT has 8GB more VRAM and is about 30% - 35% faster at 1440p. It also matches a 4070 in heavy RT games and in typical RT loads is actually faster.
So for an extra £40 you get a much faster GPU with considerably more VRAM. The performance in pure raster is enough to mean the difference between running native 1440p, or having to use DLSS.
Incidentally I have not had one single game that didn’t work.
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I still think the only people who play VR are into sex games
I know its really racing games and flight sim
absolutley right, also don't forget:
SLI vs Crossfire - the frame-pacing fiasco
FXAA/SMAA/MSAA - the anti-aliasing, texture filtering 'image quality' fiasco.
All generated big, tedious post wars on here with multiple bans and post deletions. Looking back on it paid Nvidia shills were (and probably still are) part of this forum.
Lets not get started on Nvidia Gameworks as I don't want to scare the kids.
Gamers didn't want to pay $1500 for a 4090, now they're happy to pay $3000 for a 5080 and call it a good deal
VR and streaming
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Its stemmed from the old wives tales of poor drivers where AMD has had a "app" ahead of nvidia for best part of four years now. As you allude to, if your stretching to use DLSS in the first place there seems to be an issue with either the game or the "grunt" is not there to begin with. This is why people are now snapping up discounted 7900XTX' because the penny has dropped that its "grunt" is decent and they are in stock.
Genuinely think some people who only occasionally peep over to see the latest nvidia release, will have not actually seen 7900 xtx performance till they saw it compared to the 5080.
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So many people just buy back to back nvidia they never will.
Another thing on this. I recall in the past year I have played two great games in helldivers 2 and new world aeternum. Some games believe it or not do not have dlss as an option (and may never introduce it). The obsession that this is a key feature in buying criteria is misguided but kudos to nvidia with the mindshare and marketing to make people believe it is a compulsory thing.
Another thing on this. I recall in the past year I have played two great games in helldivers 2 and new world aeternum. Some games believe it or not do not have dlss as an option (and may never introduce it). The obsession that this is a key feature in buying criteria is misguided but kudos to nvidia with the mindshare and marketing to make people believe it is a compulsory thing.
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AMD really should've had not canned big RDNA4. A 128 CU, 512-bit RDNA 4 GPU would've beaten a RTX 5090 in vast majority of scenarios (raster, a lot of RT or even matched it in PT) or even matched a full fat 192 SM 5090 Ti.
AMD really should get a TSMC N3P 192 CU UDNA GPU working because that's likely to be at minimum competitive Vs RTX 6090 (which will be what? Blackwell on TSMC N3P?). Especially if FSR5 comes along with an expanded suite like ray-reconstruction etc.
AMD really should get a TSMC N3P 192 CU UDNA GPU working because that's likely to be at minimum competitive Vs RTX 6090 (which will be what? Blackwell on TSMC N3P?). Especially if FSR5 comes along with an expanded suite like ray-reconstruction etc.