The Air Rifles & Pistols thread

Oddly, when you posted about this on AGF, you got a sleeve of pellets free rather than a moderator upgrade, and the ballache/kicking up a stick was you called Pellpax/messaged Ross at Pellpax and Olivia at BRK and sent pic's like anyone would do, and between them, they arranged for you to deal with BRK rather than Pellpax to speed up the return/replacement. You even mention how promptly they acknowledged the issue and put it right, so i'm not sure what part of that requires 'eventually', 'ballache' or 'kicking up a stink'? From what I read, you got your issue resolved with minimal effort and quickly, unlike some, just a shame BRK sent the first gun out to Pellpax like that, but no need to ham it up on here.
You could argue it is a bit fo a ballache after waiting weeks for it to arrive to then to arrive in a poor condition and then have to spend time contacting pellpax and BRK and then having to rebox it all to send it back. I shouldn't have had to spend time going through all those motions. I posted the thread on AGF to highlight my dissatisfaction and then pointed all relevant parties to that thread.

When i spoke to pellpax initially they said they would come back to me but didnt, when i spoke to Liz? at BRK, initially they didnt really want to know as obviously my sales contract was with pellpax which is understandable however the point i made was that it shouldnt have left the factory as it did and it all could have been avoided. It was the 2nd call to pellpax that they acknowledged the issue and they said they would come back to me the following day. It was the following day Olivia from BRK contacted me and she was actually a real driving force to get it sorted promptly.

Olivia stood out from the crowd to resolve the matter but there was a bit of heel dragging going on initially from all parties. So the thread was kicking up a stink to drive some prompt reaction which it did. It was a ballache having to chase around initially to get the ball rolling to resolve the issue.

My choice of words here isnt hamming it up, its genuinely how i felt about it even if i didnt use the same wording on AGF. Olvia went above and beyond which i am truely grateful for. I've even had to contact her this week for a replacement trigger post as the current one is too loose and wouldnt tighten down. She posted it Tuesday and it arrived today, its fitted and the matters resolved. I'm very happy with how quickly and effectively that issue was resolved and i have thanked Olivia several times already, however, again its another ballache to have to request a new part for a brand new rifle because the tolerance on the trigger post was too high.

I'm happy with how promptly and positively the issues have been resolved, and the good will gesture was a very nice offer however, this all could have been avoided.
 
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Didn't realise there was a Firearms thread here. Here's my current 2, with another 4 slots on the FAC, so more to come...

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It's not really it's an air rifle and pistols thread.

But as we are waving our wangs about here is my KAR98K.

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Now that's a thing of beauty! Want one! You have any trouble getting ammo for it?

Cheers yea got lucky.

The BYF 43 is the code they used during the second minor disagreement with Germany, means it was manufactured in 1943 in the Mauser factory in Obendorf.

It serial number matches several parts on the bolt so I'm pretty sure the receiver and bolt match, the barrel band is also consistent with the year.

The only thing I'm not certain on is the stock, they were using laminated wood, so that is correct, but it doesn't have the milled decoking plate on the stock, and instead has the small hole in the buttplate, which was more consistent with 44 onwards, but could possibly be late 43.

The bore is in pretty good condition I get about 3-4 inch group at 100 meters, which isn't bad for an 80 year old rifle plus open sights at 100 yards anyway.

The sight are miles off though, shoots about 8 inches high and about 2 inches left at 100 yards, and whilst I could possibly adjust the windage, I don't really want to be knocking about 80 year old metal parts and the elevation you can't do anything about as it's set at minimum.

They sights were never designed for target shooting anyway.

That being said I can 9/10 hit a 6" inch metal plate at 100 yards that good enough for me.

The scary thing is, although it's just an inanimate object really, that thing might have killed someone, or the original owner might have been killed, I guess we'll never know.

Edit: yea no problems with ammo, 8mm Mauser is still used in Europe so it's quite common, I reload my own anyway, you can get the brass and heads etc from Henry Crank.
 
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The scary thing is, although it's just an inanimate object really, that thing might have killed someone, or the original owner might have been killed, I guess we'll never know.

Yeah, I'm planning on getting a Lee Enfield No4 for that reason, owning a little bit of history.

Thanks for the info. Interesting stuff.
 
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Yeah, I'm planning on getting a Lee Enfield No4 for that reason, owning a little bit of history.

Thanks for the info. Interesting stuff.

There are loads of those knocking about, is there a particular variant you are after?

I was half thinking about getting one of those, the sights are supposed to be a bit better as you really have to get down on the Mauser rifle.

Im after a .308 myself next, modern one though, I'm seriously considering buying an Accuracy International AT, local shop has one, not cheap though. Im honestly trying to decide whether I can justify it.
 
There are loads of those knocking about, is there a particular variant you are after?

I was half thinking about getting one of those, the sights are supposed to be a bit better as you really have to get down on the Mauser rifle.

Im after a .308 myself next, modern one though, I'm seriously considering buying an Accuracy International AT, local shop has one, not cheap though. Im honestly trying to decide whether I can justify it.

Would like a T, but those are few and far between, so I'll probably just pick up a standard MkI. Just lack of funds currently, I have an order in for a Marlin 1894 Dark in 357MAG, hopefully get that in the spring sometime.


I also considered an AI, but couldn't justify the cost. The RPR is doing me fine for the moment, and I have some upgrades on the way from the US.
 
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I've been pellet testing for the last few weeks with my Ghost and its much less pellet fussy than my HW110. Surprisingly the most accurate pellets it seems are the JSB Stratons. Typically pointed pellets are terrible in most rifles but these are "rounded" pointed pellets and they are shooting very accurately at 50M. I'm starting to shoot more Bench rest targets now and trying to home in my shooting technique. I think im done spending on air rifles for a while now. Eventually i want either a nice target pistol or PCP pistol but thats maybe a next year thing now
 
Well that was a fun weekend! Just completed my NSRA YPS Tutor training :)

Now to figure out how to get in some regular practice!

I'm fairly sure I could get free (or at least very cheap!) access to a suitable building which is already mostly set up to be used as a temporary range; is there any reason to go to an professional range instead?
 
This is a better thread for non air stuff: https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/threads/the-firearms-shotguns-and-shooting-thread.18999133/

I’ve been pondering picking up an air rifle for a few months now as it’s been some years since I had an S410. I’ve been looking at the S500 but I’d need to start from scratch, including a compressor to charge it.

Actually went shooting today, just ten shots from rest at about 20m, by coincidence using an S500. The particular gun is in use for four hours a day at a shooting venue with around 160 shots per day, by 16 different people. Six days a week. If my maths is correct, it’s probably had between 140,000 and 150,000 shots through it. It won’t get any preventable maintenance, just repairs.

That sets the scene. 10 shots from 20m rested (so very easy). Haven’t touched a gun for about two years. No practise shots, straight in.

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It should have been 100, the shot to the left was my second one and I just pulled it slightly. I did watch a dozen or so shooters before me and another four afterwards and nobody else got into the 90s. There were many 70s and a handful of low to mid 80s.

Still annoyed it wasn’t 100 but at least I can still shoot.

This has made me think about getting another rifle, I’d be doing similar shooting in the garden, 20-25 metres onto small targets like this.

What sort of scope would be sensible? It’s been years since I bought one so I have no idea what’s rubbish, what’s half decent and what’s ridiculously expensive.

Thanks.
 
Any time you think it’s retained skill from all those years ago, break out a springer. Suddenly hold, breathing, trigger control etc. suddenly become a thing and you realise what’s doing most of the work :D

Gun wise, I would personally be looking more AGT/Kalibrgun/AirMaks or even an HW100 over the AA Sx10 platform. Times have changed.

The small Tuxing compressors are OK for direct to gun, the GX stuff is better, the Hils EC310 is a different beast, and the Yong Heng while OK for larger bottles needs extra filtration as it’s quite dirty in terms of output. I’d suggest reading the filtration threads and indeed the compressor threads on AGF.

Scope wise everyone’s eyes are different, so look through whatever you like before buying. Optisan EVE/EVX or even CP are nice, but personally for the money I really rate the Vector Optics Veyron in FFP. The downside with FFP is the lower 1/3 of the optical zoom is only really usable for the centre point of the reticle (so 4-8x), above that it’s easy and the reticle is useful in terms of hold over/under.
 
Gun wise, I would personally be looking more AGT/Kalibrgun/AirMaks or even an HW100 over the AA Sx10 platform. Times have changed
Out of interest, why? I’m very familiar with the AA stuff and using the S500 today was nicely comfortable.

you realise what’s doing most of the work :D
Hehehe, yup, I’m fully aware. I had a TX200 before I got the 410 and then the Daystate Mk 3. I really never mastered the springer and sold it soon after.

I guess a trip to Rayleigh Airguns is on the cards soon to have an actual look and a feel.
 
Out of interest, why? I’m very familiar with the AA stuff and using the S500 today was nicely comfortable.


Hehehe, yup, I’m fully aware. I had a TX200 before I got the 410 and then the Daystate Mk 3. I really never mastered the springer and sold it soon after.

I guess a trip to Rayleigh Airguns is on the cards soon to have an actual look and a feel.
The world has moved on, Clare is still pushing essentially the same products her father introduced, that trace back to the PH days. What’s changed in the AA world since you stopped shooting? Well they no longer sell the rebranded pistol, or the rebranded S200, they are now going to distribute and have new model manufacturing done in India for the S200’s replacement because that’s cheaper, oh and they introduced a new tactical chassis that unsurprisingly fits both the S4xx and S5xx platforms with zero modification unless it’s a very early S400 which needs a new rear block iiirc.

Don’t get me wrong, the Sxx platform is well proven, simple and reliable, but buying a new one at this stage makes zero financial sense. Even my local range has moved to HW100’s as they are a better option, decent shot count, probably the best magazine system in the market as well as the best SSL, similar levels of proven reliability, side lever cocking, picatinny rail etc. and a very decent adjustable trigger.

If you prefer simple and well proven design, that’s easy to work on and built like a tank, the AGT Vulcan and Uragan are where I would be looking, stupidly accurate/consistent thanks to the CZ barrel and the kind of regulator that makes an engineer smile, one of the better bullpup triggers, decent shot count, choice of wood/laminate or even carbon stock options, the designer at AGT set-up AirMaks, and the Katran and Krait are great little guns, again CZ barrel, Huma regulators now as standard, Chris who used to be the distributor has taken a step back to just dealing with the technical side as they have become bigger in the UK (Hawke distribute now), he’s an absolute gentleman and probably one of the easiest people to deal with.

Kalibrgun share some lineage with Taipan who have started being distributed in the UK, first batch were OK, but the Kalibrgun Cricket II is probably still better out of the box in sub12 than the Vetran, but they just need to improve the sub12 tune.

If you prefer self indexing, EdGun Leshiy 2 or Styre Pro X are decent options, the Hunen is the Chinese option, but it’s actually decent. EdGun and Huben are both distributed over here by an Argentinian bloke in Spain who had major issues with sanctions on Russian products, till recently he would ship the Leshiy’s in 3 parts labelled up as spare parts.

As you mention Daystate, look at the BRK Ghost, Daystate bought Brocock and the build quality and design of newer guns is now spot on, you also have the Daystate Alphawolf or Redwolf if you like electrics, the Alpha is newer (sadly we don’t get the onboard chrono doing what the old MCT did like the rest of the world/FAC), but the Redwolf is stupidly accurate.

The elephant in the room is FX. I love the look of the Impact M4 Micro or the M4 Compact, the Crown is a great platform and the DRS was unbelievable value, sadly all of them have been plagued with issues from POI shifts to reg creep and leaks, and I say that as an Impact MK2 and Maverick owner. I wouldn’t suggest an FX is a reliable option sadly, you may get lucky, it may go back to SGC (the importer) for a month several times if people I know are anything to go by. You still have the issue of the barrel and the only fix is to have an AA LW barrel turned down to take an FX transfer port and that’s not cheap.

Either way, please at least look at what else is on offer, buying an over priced dinosaur because it’s familiar/nostalgic is not the way I would go, but it comes down to what fits you best. I have more guns than I care to admit to, the only AA among them is a TX200 MK2 in the rarer .177 for exactly the reasons I mentioned above, it keeps me humble and requires good technique to get good results.
 
That’s really useful, thanks. It seems that all the HW100 models, they’re multi shot so a big chunk more expensive than the single shot AA ones.

I still think a trip to Rayleigh is on the cards for a try out. They’re chucking in one of those scopes at the moment.

 
Absolutely go and shoulder some guns, fit is the most important factor here. Price wise, it's not just that a magazine system adds cost, it's that Weihrauch make better guns in this market segment sadly. I'm not a fan of AGC, in fact I can't think of anyone I know who is, usually down to negative experiences when it comes to the quality of work done under warranty, but if they're local and you get on with them, ignore me.

The Sxxx platforms are still very capable guns, they just require you to operate in the sweet spot of the fill pressure range and know how many shots you have/count them, much like manual chokes and re vulcanizing tires, the world has moved on. Lets start with the obvious on that 'deal', it's smoke and mirrors just like DFS. Nobody else is selling that scope for £249, why? Because it was discontinued and is now an AGC exclusive, so they can claim it's a £999 scope and nobody can really say otherwise, realistically, it's a £200 scope on a good day (they used to sell them at £229). In effect you are buying something that is mediocre with an inflated claimed value because it sounds like a bargain and Hawke warranty is generally well regarded, even if they terms of supply by them at trade are... questionable, but that's another story.

The S400 is £649 in beech, the S410 is £859, all you are getting for that is a magazine system, neither is regulated. By the time you pay the upgrade to the 'package' deal, it's £903 (£254 extra) for a 400 or £1063 (£204 extra) for a 410 which gets you a cheap case that advertises AGC, a warranty you will hope to never use, and a £2 pack of targets along with a scope they made up the RRP for. Just to throw another option on your preferred platform into the mix, they'll sell you a 10/10 condition S400 with scope/bag for £649 used and the same warranty if that's what you want, and honestly that seems like a much better value buy if that's the path that's the path you decide is right for you.

For comparison, you can get a HW110T (the polymer action/laminate stock version) for £899, it's feels smaller, the trigger is better, two 10 shot magazines that are about as good as it gets, the regulator works reliably and cosnsistantly, and the HW barrels are very decent, the Veyron and mounts I mentioned earlier is £180 from Optics Warehouse and is a much, much better scope (they do go on sale for around the £150 mark occasionally and are less on Ali-Express etc.). I'd suggest at least shouldering one, as fit is most important, it's a mere £17 more than an S410 and a at least worth considering. Objectively speaking, the 110 does have a polymer block, nobody has ever reported a failure, but some people are still living in the dark ages and will bemoan Daystate electronics despite decades of proven reliability if not neglected, so 'plastic' is black magic. The 110 does have one known weakness, the power is known to drop off after a few tins of pellets. It's a reasonably simple and inexpensive fix, one I may even be tempted to let AGC attempt :D

You also have the BSA R12 Wallnut SE at the same price point, again i'm not personally a fan, i've seen enough of the internals to know how that's going to end sooner rather than later. Kral/Reximex will be cheaper again, but they're rough and ready and really do need a strip/rebuild to get anywhere near as good as the HW or AA in terms of accuracy. I own two, but I went in with my eyes open and treated each as a project, and they don't disappoint as you can see the improvements just removing the machining burr on the transfer port makes.

Honestly if it were me? A used HW100 is basically my benchmark gun at this point, there's a lot of them out there and the prices are flat as it's a buyers market, much like the S4xx/S5xx, they lack the 'new' and desirability factor. If you go used, things like the Cricket and Vixen/Vulcan are worth looking at, Daystate Revere and Huntsman or even the Renegade and Pulsar (a Redwolf bull-pup) are all doable under £1k used. Not much will out shoot a Pulsar from the bench, and the Renegade isn't far off, Huntsman/Revere are proper tack drivers as well, as is the MK4is and for very little at this point.

Do you have a local range that rents other guns out? It's a decent way of trying a few different platforms and working out what actually fits you, it may be an Sxx, but it may be something else.
 
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fit is the most important factor here
What you say makes great sense, thanks. I have now tried an HW100KT and it was certainly comfortable. The cheapest rifle only deal I've found is £1079.95 from The Wolfman and they can also supply the compressor I've been looking at. I'd need to check if their guns are proper Hull Cartridge. I can probably pick up the accessories I want from there as well, cleaning kit, targets, pellets etc.

Looking at the scope, you mention the Vector Optics Veyron FPP, there are a couple of those at Optics Warehouse at the price you mentioned - Which one were you suggesting. the 4-16x44 or the 6-24x44? The former seems to me that it'd be more useful for what I'm going to be doing (but it's out of stock).
 
They are selling you a rebranded Tuxing for more money as a Wolf, use the obvious retailer that offers next day delivery of them for less and better warranty. Wolfman have never sold anything than HC guns, they aren’t the cheapest for everything, but they let you mix and match pellets and give bulk discounts, I would suggest a JSB sample pack, some Baracuda 8/FT and possibly some FTT. You may also want to try QYS Streamlined as they do nicely in my 100.

Scope wise I have to stress this is very much an individual thing, for me at 25m shooting a BR25 card, I prefer a 24x magnification scope, but a 16x is adequate and some people produce great results with a 10x. With an FFP scope, the reticle gets bigger the more you zoom in, so the lower 1/3 of the available zoom range is very fine, bordering on only usable for the centre dot, so that gives you a reticle usable from 8-16x or 12-24, and by usable, I mean you can work hold over/under comfortably. With an SFP scope, the reticle is the same across the whole zoom range, before deciding if FFP or SFP is for you, watch this:


My personal opinion for me is it’s always better to have more magnification and not need it than run at the limits of what you have.
 
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