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Intel Core Ultra 9 285k 'Arrow Lake' Discussion/News ("15th gen") on LGA-1851

RSR said:
Time to brighten the thread up with some pictures:

Asus Z890 Apex

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Asrock Z890 OCF

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@hlennie These are boards/setup for the Core 200 lineup.

I'm going to go out on a bit of a limb and say the Asrock Z890 OCF is the board you should be looking at for tinkering on the Z890 platform, I've been really very very impressed with it and thus far it has out performed the Apex but the latest Apex bios update may change that.

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Asrock Z890 Taichi OCF (LGA 1851) DDR5 ATX Motherboard

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As for that money compared to the Apex, it's a steal.

I still need to run tests compared to my AM5 platform as I am using my 9800X3D at the mo but you notice the idle/basic web use power pulled from the wall is higher than that of the 285K systems.

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Never used Asrock I always thought of them ugly.

I had a msi tomahawk board at first but swapped it out for an asus strix gaming I just like the bios hate the tax
 
Loving my Ultra 7 265K so far, Its so responsive everything feels super snappy.

I'm not bashing AMD fans, I had a play with a 9800X3D and even though its most likely faster (in gaming) it felt rather sluggish within windows for me compared to my 265K which is super responsive...like click and bang its there.
 
Nevakonaza said:
Loving my Ultra 7 265K so far, Its so responsive everything feels super snappy.

I'm not bashing AMD fans, I had a play with a 9800X3D and even though its most likely faster (in gaming) it felt rather sluggish within windows for me compared to my 265K which is super responsive...like click and bang its there.
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Wow, so you you binned off a 9800X3D for a 265K? At least you won't have lost anything selling the 9800X3D given how high the demand is.
 
As Monster Hunter Wilds has been a hot topic on the discord, I've done a few runs with 285K and 4090. The 7900XTX seems to be the most performant card from testing on this one so, I am going to throw the XTX on the OCF and see where that comes out.

Monster Hunter Wilds Benchmark

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The 285K was on an Asus Apex with XMP with P (56) and E (50), NGU (35) / R (40) / D2D (38) it's a fairly light tweak, as I have not had time to fully set up the RAM and all other associated settings. So there is plenty more headroom on this one.

I also have results with my 9800X3D / 7900XTX but not with the 4090
 
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Nevakonaza said:
Loving my Ultra 7 265K so far, Its so responsive everything feels super snappy.

I'm not bashing AMD fans, I had a play with a 9800X3D and even though its most likely faster (in gaming) it felt rather sluggish within windows for me compared to my 265K which is super responsive...like click and bang its there.
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I can somewhat empathise with that, as I have mostly been using the 9800X3D this week and it's been annoying some of the little gremlins. Some of them may be down to the board (X870E Hero), so I'll grab an Apex once they have stock and try again.
 
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Got the itch to pick up a 265k, for the ones that have it how are you finding it, happy with the performance?
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Problem is it is a CPU that struggles to beat the cheaper 14700K, in a lot of meaningful situations is slower, though I wouldn't recommend buying into the LGA1700 platform now.

The 265K should be the 14600K replacement at around £100 cheaper than it is selling for... I don't understand people buying these CPUs - if you want to buy it that is your business but that is my position on it.
 
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Rroff said:
Problem is it is a CPU that struggles to beat the cheaper 14700K, in a lot of meaningful situations is slower, though I wouldn't recommend buying into the LGA1700 platform now.

The 265K should be the 14600K replacement at around £100 cheaper than it is selling for... I don't understand people buying these CPUs - if you want to buy it that is your business but that is my position on it.
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Just curious, then what would you consider buying if gaming was not a prime focus and generalised good performance is also required.?
 
Vimes said:
Just curious, then what would you consider buying if gaming was not a prime focus and generalised good performance is also required.?
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That is the problem right now, the 14700K is still what I would buy right now but it is hard to recommend to anyone else when the platform is essentially end of life (despite it looks like Intel may yet bring new CPUs to it) and the spectre of all the 13th/14th gen issues hanging over it - despite so far those issues only affecting a tiny number of customers.

There just aren't great options out there currently unless you purely want the best gaming CPU possible, purely do massively threaded productivity workloads or are happy with the 7700X/14600K performance point or lower tiers.
 
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Rroff said:
That is the problem right now, the 14700K is still what I would buy right now but it is hard to recommend to anyone else when the platform is essentially end of life (despite it looks like Intel may yet bring new CPUs to it) and the spectre of all the 13th/14th gen issues hanging over it - despite so far those issues only affecting a tiny number of customers.

There just aren't great options out there currently unless you purely want the best gaming CPU possible, purely do massively threaded productivity workloads or are happy with the 7700X/14600K performance point or lower tiers.
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Yes, sadly I understand what you mean. Sadly, as it seems to confirm my initial thoughts if considering buying an Intel based platform. However, the 265k isn't too far away in price from the 14700k and there could be a refresh for this platform. Even though that is typically unknown with Intel, and seems to flip one way or the other with the ArL chips.
If I was building a new PC, needing all the parts, I was struggle to not go for a AMD based one, the choice remaining whether it would be x3d or not depending on the primary need. That I feel would be more of a compromised choice considering how badly Intel have made a mess of the situation since RL onwards, even though I very much like the 14700k I am using. Being pushed towards an AMD platform, with help from Intel..!
 
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Rroff said:
That is the problem right now, the 14700K is still what I would buy right now but it is hard to recommend to anyone else when the platform is essentially end of life (despite it looks like Intel may yet bring new CPUs to it) and the spectre of all the 13th/14th gen issues hanging over it - despite so far those issues only affecting a tiny number of customers.

There just aren't great options out there currently unless you purely want the best gaming CPU possible, purely do massively threaded productivity workloads or are happy with the 7700X/14600K performance point or lower tiers.
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I mean I get it but Arrow Lake is basically on par with AMD Ryzen 9000 non X3D while having a vastly superior iGPU and lower power consumption at idle (and maybe at low loads but have to test that) so it's not like you shouldn't buy it in any case.
 
So moved back to the 285K from the 9800X3D, I can swap between them but interesting to see how they perform on different daily tasks.

So first test Chrome open with a few tabs with YouTube playing and Discord open:

9800X3D + 7900XTX - ~190-200W
285K + 4090 - ~120-140W

Those are total systems draw from the wall numbers

Both systems have the same Vertex GX-1200 PSU / Cooling (Mora 420 / 4 x 200MM and single D5) and the Intel system also has an Intel X550-T1 NIC (with a 3D Printed fan cover and 40mm fan). The 9800X3D does have PBO+CO and 6400C26 memory as I have not even started setting up the Intel one as it only have some basic stuff done. As I have been waiting for the MC 116 to be released from Asus.
 
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@RSR having both systems are you aware of any day to day usage where one could be described as being generally more responsive than the other..?

Then, how could they compare if you use any particular applications that are CPU demanding and then onto games.? Whilst noting benchmarks are useful as a guide, there is also the other aspect of how that translates when using the computer and how it "feels" when doing so.

Thanks.
 
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@RSR having both systems are you aware of any day to day usage where one could be described as being generally more responsive than the other..?

Then, how could they compare if you use any particular applications that are CPU demanding and then onto games.? Whilst noting benchmarks are useful as a guide, there is also the other aspect of how that translates when using the computer and how it "feels" when doing so.

Thanks.
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I've had a few annoying issues with my 9800X3D, which may be down to the MB but not sure. Depending on which M.2 slot I have my 990 Pro drive in it randomly goes missing and the work around for this is to move it to slot off the chipset and the onboard ethernet on the Hero which has a RealTek and Intel is very hit or miss at the best of times. I have worked out the issue with that one as well, as it seems to be down to long cable runs and devices not being able to provide enough power I normally do use an add-In card as generally I am not a fan of consumer-grade nics but the Hero doesn't have any PCIe slots off the chipset so it will pull the GPU down to X8, I guess that's much like using the M2 off the CPU as well if it's not in slot M.2_1. The other little gripe I have, it doesn't happen often but I get the odd short pause in Chrome that may be due to the network not sure.

I have not experienced the above issues on either my Apex or OCF (Z890) to date.

Windows seems a bit more snappy on the Intel system but that could be a placebo effect, id need to set both up side by side and see on that one which I can do.

In terms of CPU demanding do you have any specific use cases or applications? I can run it on both and see how it goes.

Also to add both systems are running Windows 11 Enterprise 26100.3194
 
RSR said:
I've had a few annoying issues with my 9800X3D, which may be down to the MB but not sure. Depending on which M.2 slot I have my 990 Pro drive in it randomly goes missing and the work around for this is to move it to slot off the chipset and the onboard ethernet on the Hero which has a RealTek and Intel is very hit or miss at the best of times. I have worked out the issue with that one as well, as it seems to be down to long cable runs and devices not being able to provide enough power I normally do use an add-In card as generally I am not a fan of consumer-grade nics but the Hero doesn't have any PCIe slots off the chipset so it will pull the GPU down to X8, I guess that's much like using the M2 off the CPU as well if it's not in slot M.2_1. The other little gripe I have, it doesn't happen often but I get the odd short pause in Chrome that may be due to the network not sure.

I have not experienced the above issues on either my Apex or OCF (Z890) to date.

Windows seems a bit more snappy on the Intel system but that could be a placebo effect, id need to set both up side by side and see on that one which I can do.

In terms of CPU demanding do you have any specific use cases or applications? I can run it on both and see how it goes.

Also to add both systems are running Windows 11 Enterprise 26100.3194
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Thanks, good information. Those issues you describe with the AMD rig, as you confirmed, does not happen with the Intel based system. This is a massive generalisation here, but I would have been surprised if you had said the reverse, the Intel platform plaguing you with those issues, but not overly surprised in what you did write. It will be interesting if that situation gets resolved and, if it does, how you managed to do it.

Also thanks for the offer. For me and my typical use, I have not used Photoshop or LR for a long time, I have no particular applications that are routinely used that are CPU demanding. I was not sure if you had any examples where you have noted one feel more responsive than the other.

General Windows use comparisons would be useful. Not necessarily timed to the second, but if you experience something that, over time, you could say leads to a smoother overall experience on one over that of the other.

Enjoy your systems :)
 
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