*** The AMD RDNA 4 Rumour Mill ***

[hornetstinger]

Happy to do anything to get a 9070XT. Anything. Anything

Even if it means if I have to go into overclockers shop, spread myself with honey and wear a bikini.

 

[Ayahuasca]

Happy to do anything to get a 9070XT. Anything. Anything

Even if it means if I have to go into overclockers shop, spread myself with honey and wear a bikini.

Trade your 99.44.77 Dolby Atmos system in for one.

 

[hornetstinger]

Good thing I have AV hobby if GPU stay stupid price I'll just go back into that. I guess a Intel B580 will be fine for war thunder and still a big upgrade over a 480

At least I didn't overspend on my cpu/board/memory upgrade and I did need a new PC system

 

[Joxeon]

Not to point out the obvious here but has not everything increased in price globally? Fuels, energy, food, wages, materials cost of living etc.

As such why would you expect computer hardware to drop in price if literally everything cost more nowadays…..

Because with their marketshare dropping to 10% they need customers more than big profits right now.

Also not everything is going up, GDDR6 for instance was around $13 per gb in 2022 and is now at $2.30 so on a 16gb card that’s around a $170 saving in production costs which is huge.

 

[Gibbo]

Because with their marketshare dropping to 10% they need customers more than big profits right now.

Also not everything is going up, GDDR6 for instance was around $13 per gb in 2022 and is now at $2.30 so on a 16gb card that’s around a $170 saving in production costs which is huge.

If that is the case they should simply stop making consumer GPU and put all focus on datacentre and CPU then, that is where the real growth and profit is for them.

 

[GhostDog1981]

If that is the case they should simply stop making consumer GPU and put all focus on datacentre and CPU then, that is where the real growth and profit is for them.

Is this why the major players are deviating from past precedent of offering previous gen flagship or x80 performance for 60ti/70 class prices? (Historically around £500).

 

[Ayahuasca]

If that is the case they should simply stop making consumer GPU and put all focus on datacentre and CPU then, that is where the real growth and profit is for them.

Yeah, then maybe you could add £1000 onto nVidia AIB models in the 6 series launch.

 

[Martini1991]

Not to point out the obvious here but has not everything increased in price globally? Fuels, energy, food, wages, materials cost of living etc.

As such why would you expect computer hardware to drop in price if literally everything cost more nowadays…..

The inflation stuff isn't that clear cut in regards to tech
Unless you just mean AMD/Nvidia are after their pound of flesh.

In the laptop space it's never been a better time to buy a £400 laptop

 

[Phixsator]

Less than 24 hours
God I wish someone would knock me unconscious

Amen... someone please knock him unconscious..


/s I'm joking ofc.

 

[Gibbo]

Yeah, then maybe you could add £1000 onto nVidia AIB models in the 6 series launch.

Who knows, we just paid over £100,000 for just 5 cards from NVIDIA (professional) which for NVIDIA has incredible margins. They like the business as can be seen from their Q4 results posted yesterday.

The inflation stuff isn't that clear cut in regards to tech
Unless you just mean AMD/Nvidia are after their pound of flesh.

In the laptop space it's never been a better time to buy a £400 laptop

Well it is, they still employ 1000's of people who have all no doubt had wage increases inline with inflation or above to cope with cost of living. Their businesses and operations still consume energy which has exploded in cost in most countries. And now talk of tariffs, let us hope that all dies down....

Also remember desktop consumer GPU's are now incredibly powerful, also remember demand from enterprise, datacenter, automotive and other industries are all after the good stuff and I guess these manufacturers like to keep their operations tight to remain profitable, the last thing they want to do is over expand and then say a bubble burst and all of a sudden they have huge overheads and start making losses.

This is how it feels anyway, hardly ever enough stock to go round, demand higher than ever, even though the prices seemingly just keep increasing.

Mobile sector has come down a lot as entry level performance is now more than capable for what is required of a laptop. So the cheap sub £500 laptops have jumped massively in performance but they are essentially entry level which has now become so good, gone are the days of a crappy slow google book thing for £200.

 

[uscool]

Because with their marketshare dropping to 10% they need customers more than big profits right now.

Also not everything is going up, GDDR6 for instance was around $13 per gb in 2022 and is now at $2.30 so on a 16gb card that’s around a $170 saving in production costs which is huge.

I'm pretty sure the price will drop later it wouldn't if they still couldn't make a profit , I don't go by everythings just increased in price its not totally on that think just some of it is excuse to push it higher

 

[Gibbo]

I'm pretty sure the price will drop later it wouldn't if they still couldn't make a profit , I don't go by everythings just increased in price I think it's excuse just to take advantage and give that excuse

It is fair to say that come April, May and June onwards all 50 series will be cheaper than they are today, 40 series was no different prices quite high at the start, midway through life cycle they settled at around MSRP and only at end of life cycle did they jump in price again.

 

[Martini1991]

Who knows, we just paid over £100,000 for just 5 cards from NVIDIA (professional) which for NVIDIA has incredible margins. They like the business as can be seen from their Q4 results posted yesterday.



Well it is, they still employ 1000's of people who have all no doubt had wage increases inline with inflation or above to cope with cost of living. Their businesses and operations still consume energy which has exploded in cost in most countries. And now talk of tariffs, let us hope that all dies down....

Also remember desktop consumer GPU's are now incredibly powerful, also remember demand from enterprise, datacenter, automotive and other industries are all after the good stuff and I guess these manufacturers like to keep their operations tight to remain profitable, the last thing they want to do is over expand and then say a bubble burst and all of a sudden they have huge overheads and start making losses.

This is how it feels anyway, hardly ever enough stock to go round, demand higher than ever, even though the prices seemingly just keep increasing.

Mobile sector has come down a lot as entry level performance is now more than capable for what is required of a laptop. So the cheap sub £500 laptops have jumped massively in performance but they are essentially entry level which has now become so good, gone are the days of a crappy slow google book thing for £200.

Sorry but surely this is in context of the time. Go back 15 years and the flagship of the time would be the same.

And our GPU's from a game performance are pretty much the worst they've been, so much so you can no longer play at native resolutions

 

[Ayahuasca]

We're in the endgame now, certainly sounding like £700+ for most 9070XT models.

 

[Tarqy]

What's the best perceived AIB provider for AMD cards these days?

 

[Ayahuasca]

What's the best perceived AIB provider for AMD cards these days?

Sapphire, think Powercolor are up there now as well.

 

[Gibbo]

Sorry but surely this is in context of the time. Go back 15 years and the flagship of the time would be the same.

And our GPU's from a game performance are pretty much the worst they've been, so much so you can no longer play at native resolutions

Nope, as back then the automotive, datacentre, professionals were not trying to grab the desktop parts. They stuck to the professional lineup as back then it was considerably more powerful.

Since the powerhouses of the 90 generation we as a reseller find every sector wants them, this never used to be the case.

 

[Jacky60]

What prices "should" be is an entirely aspirational thought. People are still stuck in 2016 when it actually mattered where MSRP/RRP was set. AMD knows there's a truckload of fat and gravy the market will bear -- why leave that to the feeders at the bottom of the chain?

I'd love for the 9070xt to actually cost £600 retail, but AMD has little control here. Further, they've indicated clearly they don't care about control in this respect by neither producing an MBA, nor are they doing direct sales. Had they wanted to actually set a retail price, they would control the chain to snap AIBs and resellers back. nV does this in a sense, but for them, their direct sales exist to maintain the illusion of MSRP actually existing.

All this is why I find the reports so hilarious that AMD reps are asking reviewers what they should price at -- a total PR stunt to buy goodwill amd maintain some illusion of control. This would be like me asking astronomers what color the planet Jupiter should be

If they mess up the pricing again I have little option but to assume there's a nudge-nudge-wink-wink collusion and price-fixing cabal going on here.

A price fixing cartel has been going on in GPU and CPU for 10+ years. It isn't written down its spoken and an envelope of cash/bonds plus a tacit verbal agreement is all that is required. That's how the real world works.

 

[Gibbo]

What's the best perceived AIB provider for AMD cards these days?

I work with them all, my favourite is Sapphire but I also like the Devil cards from Powercolor, Asrock Taichi also tends to be a top model.

 

[Jacky60]

In 4k raster 7900XTX>9070XT<>5070ti<>4080 Super(ISH).

Which is why the 9070XT (it's even the same numbers as 7900XTX) is just one X short and 8GB RAM missing. Therefore it will now cost slightly more or the same (ASUS) or
less and perform either a little bit worse or better than what we sold you last time.
What a prospect! I'm getting wet and I'm a man.