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*** The AMD RDNA 4 Rumour Mill ***

Besty said:
In 4k raster 7900XTX>9070XT<>5070ti<>4080 Super(ISH).
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Which is why the 9070XT (it's even the same numbers as 7900XTX) is just one X short and 8GB RAM missing. Therefore it will now cost slightly more or the same (ASUS) or
less and perform either a little bit worse or better than what we sold you last time.
What a prospect! I'm getting wet and I'm a man.
 
Martini1991 said:
I don't get this step up from performance point of view

If you don't increase price/performance you just have never ending price increases

Then again, we're at a point of 2K flagships so......
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Yeh, that stuff is always silly/a fallacy.

You can't just keep releasing better performing tech for more and more money way beyond inflation. The inevitable end game of that is GPUs the price of houses or something silly. For the flagship cards it's happening somewhat, but eventually the bubble will burst and the GPU manufacturers will have gone too far.

That's why fitting them into an existing stack price wise often doesn't really work well either.

If these cards are at the higher end of Gibbons prediction (IE $749), there is no way they will stay there long as that's 5070ti RRP which they will be at in a few months.

They also have to be careful going forward because if they want to release a 9900xt and xtx and not drop the 9070 cards they will have to be silly expensive at a time when the hype for Nvidias new stuff/low launch stock has disappeared.

Unfortunately I can see AMD doing what Gibbo has alluded to and launching them high to take advantage of the impatient/FOMO driven people and then dropping the price later this year when GPUs stop shifting so well.

I'm happy to wait ..
 
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There has been 30 percent inflation in the last 4 years. The problem is people expect tech to get cheaper but that has now stopped why because the cost of the next node has skyrocketed for tsmc next node. I work in semiconductors and the prices payed have increased by 30 percent for each component that goes onto the motherboard not just the AMD or Nvidia chip. The same thing has happened with the car industry. Top of the range phones have gone from 1k to 1k4 in the last 4 years. The trouble is people income has not risen that amount for most.
 
If AMD aren't willing to sacrifice some short term profit for marketshare with the absolute open goal that is Nvidia 50 series, why do they even bother staying in this segment?
 
SeeNoWeevil said:
If AMD aren't willing to sacrifice some short term profit for marketshare with the absolute open goal that is Nvidia 50 series, why do they even bother staying in this segment?
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SeeNoWeevil said:
If AMD aren't willing to sacrifice some short term profit for marketshare with the absolute open goal that is Nvidia 50 series, why do they even bother staying in this segment?
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I agree but I believe they stay for the apu business from Sony and Microsoft. I believe AMD should just make a really powerful APU for desktop and clean up the low end. no one else could touch them if they did
 
Copesman said:
I agree but I believe they stay for the apu business from Sony and Microsoft. I believe AMD should just make a really powerful APU for desktop and clean up the low end. no one else could touch them if they did
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Yep this. 8 million hand held APUs in 4 years. Keeps them busy. And they are not on the steam survey I bet.
 
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Sapphire had possibly the best looking card last gen, but this gen they have ruined it IMO.

I really like the look of the xfx model;

 
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Gibbo said:
If that is the case they should simply stop making consumer GPU and put all focus on datacentre and CPU then, that is where the real growth and profit is for them.
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This, look lets for a second assume the 5070 Ti is $750 and the 9070 XT is equivalent, if AMD can only sell an equivalent GPU for $500, $250 or 33% less how would they think its even worth bothering when that silicon can easily be sold for 3X as much in Datecentre?

AMD are still trying so for now at least they think its worth persevering and while we look to AMD to be more reasonable than Nvidia we also have to meet them with some rationality, this is a two way thing.

So my proposal is:

9070 XT, $600
9070, $500

There can be more expensive versions, but like for example the Sapphire Pulse is the MSRP version and remained at MSRP throughout the generation we need the same thing again, we can't have what Nvidia and Intel are currently doing which is quote an MSRP and then there is nothing available at that MSRP.
 
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Copesman said:
I agree but I believe they stay for the apu business from Sony and Microsoft. I believe AMD should just make a really powerful APU for desktop and clean up the low end. no one else could touch them if they did
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That's impossible if your definition of desktop is the current mobo+dimm status quo, short of putting HBM onto the chip exclusively for the APU. Memory bandwidth is the heavy limiter, it's why strix can't use sodimm's as lpddr5x blows sodimm bandwidth out of the water and the iGPU would otherwise be severely bottlenecked. Wendell from L1T thinks the future is mobo's based on mobile CPU's, basically miniPC's in an mITX/mATX formfactor consolidating mobo+cpu(+memory if not using CAMM2 or similar) into one unit that you can optionally add a pcie dGPU to. In that world relatively powerful APU's are possible without expensive hbm, I wouldn't be against it either.
 
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