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Snapdragon X Elite Reviews

Mesai said:
Oh I have zero expectation that they'll actually improve it, which will mean no investment from software companies i.e. supporting ARM builds, and it'll likely die.

When I say "first" I mean, not absolute unusable garbage. The previous Snapdragon chips could barely run a calculator.
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That was Microsoft in full control. Ie with every advantage.
 
Scramz said:
Rosetta's performance at launch on some apps was terrible. It took them time to iron it out. Why do people give them a pass but not MS.
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People did give Microsoft time to iron the issues and they didn't. We've had Windows for ARM for literally years and years (Windows RT in 2012 and then Windows 10 ARM in 2017), and while things have got better, nowhere near at the speed that Apple delivered after they released M1 macs. People wouldn't have given Apple a pass after 7-12 years either.
 
That will hurt both companies if that comes to pass but ARM will likely recover in the medium term as companies switch to getting ARM chips from other vendors such as Mediatek or Samsung leaving Qualcomm in a bit of a pickle.

Long term though I think this could accelerate ARM alternatives such as RISC V as companies seek to de-risk from the possibility of having their ARM licence revoked regardless of how this spat gets resolved.
 
Emlyn_Dewar said:
I'm struggling to see how this can be a positive for Arm. Isn't this type of behaviour exactly why people didn't want Nvidia buying them?

Would love to see it go to trial.
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It's a balancing act for ARM they must protect there I.P and enforce their licensing rules but at the same time they don't want to appear to be over Draconian in the way they do it.
 
Grim5 said:
Regardless of how it's handled, I think arm is legally right here.
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Mostly because they got to write the contract as they wanted.

Since the fees would be the same if Nuvia or Qualcomm sold those chips then I can only assume someone at ARM is worried about the lower royalties for architectural Vs Qualcomm using ARM's reference designs. That Qualcomm is flying the ARM flag in new waters and markets doesn't seem to matter to ARM.

Wonder if they want no new architectural licences anyhow?

I guess it is too late for Qualcomm to now claim that everything was developed after they bought Nuvia, but since both had an architectural licence how could ARM prove otherwise?

Anyhow, others will be watching and this will all do ARM no long-term good, but will be good for RISC-V etc.
 
Freddie1980 said:
It's a balancing act for ARM they must protect there I.P and enforce their licensing rules but at the same time they don't want to appear to be over Draconian in the way they do it.
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They are failing at the balance right now.
Absolutely no way I'd consider buying an Arm based Windows laptop.
 
shame they canned those mini pcs, really wanted to try one out but hopefully they get the engineering side right with thier next platform since arm mini pcs could really take off for both media players and mini pcs market.
 
Intels latest mobile offerings are solid, we will see great lunar lake options. AMDs mobile CPUs have been great in this area for so long too. ARMs petty squabbling means it will likely never have relevence in this sector, in the windows market at least.
 
Minstadave said:
Seem to have been a bit a of a flash in the pan, they were impressive but quickly caught or surpassed by the new x86 chips without the same limitations of ARM.
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Battery life seemed to be the real winner for Snapdragon but everything I've read suggests Aarrow Lake surpasses the battery life of a Snapdragon machine, without the headache of compatibility
 
I've yet to see one in the wild. Anyone in my circle who has bought a laptop in the last year, is either buying x86 or a Mac.

Slow uptake will mean Microsoft will be all too happy to drop the idea of Windows on arm, again.
 
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jrwagh333 said:
Battery life seemed to be the real winner for Snapdragon but everything I've read suggests Aarrow Lake surpasses the battery life of a Snapdragon machine, without the headache of compatibility
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The frustrating thing with any non-MacBook is the inconsistency across manufacturers. I don't know why there aren't standard power profiles or why manufacturers are responsible for tuning each chip - this goes for AMD, Intel and Qualcomm.

Obviously with reviews you have to take the complete spec into account, especially the screen when it comes to power draw, but we shouldn't see massive swings in power draw across similar machines. Probably also partly Windows at fault given how poorly it manages sleep and wake cycles. The new Arrow Lake chips have looked solid but it's hit or miss based on the particular laptop.

Wonder how much development is still going into ARM for Windows or whether they've given up on the platform. They just released a 12" but doesn't mean much if the software is still behind.
 
I have just seen a Lenovo Snapdragon X Plus in a deal site for sub £500 though. 1200p, OLED screen. Only 60hz thought.

That price it seems worthwhile
 
Qualcomm ARM chips still feel they’re in the early teething stages of their CPU’s. They’ve made a decent enough product, but I think we’ll have to wait 2-3 more generations before they’ll be serious contenders.
 
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