Snapdragon X Elite Reviews

humbug · 8 Jul 2024 at 16:44

Windows has always had a problem with connectivity, i can connect anything to my phone through Bluetooth with no effort in about 10 seconds.

Trying to connect my phone to my Windows desktop, even through USB half the time it inexplicably doesn't work at all, and Bluetooth.... first it makes a right meal of getting to a point where you can pair them and then it pretends it can't see it most of the time, when it does eventually connect it throws that connection the moment you try to transfer any data and then pretend the device never existed.

Trying to get it to behave with anything that isn't inside the Microsoft eco system is like pulling teeth without anastatic. Windows behaves like a petulant child, why is this so difficult for Microsoft?

humbug · 8 Jul 2024 at 16:50

The best OS for these chips is not Windows, its Linux. Windows is frankly garbage.

Tinek · 8 Jul 2024 at 16:59

humbug said:
The best OS for these chips is not Windows, its Linux. Windows is frankly garbage.

And yet it's Microsoft pushing then hard now. Even though it feels very unfinished and unpolished yet.

Minstadave · 8 Jul 2024 at 17:13

Tinek said:
And yet it's Microsoft pushing then hard now. Even though it feels very unfinished and unpolished yet.

Microsoft need to keep relevant in the mobile space to compete with Apple so this is a pretty sensible move from that point of view. Gets them competitive on battery life again.

Grim5 · 9 Jul 2024 at 13:26

DanF · 9 Jul 2024 at 13:54

LTT is a bit of a joke really, hopefully people around here will check multiple reviews before buying something and double check software compatibility

HighlandeR · 9 Jul 2024 at 16:03

Linus is certainly under fire lately or is it just the sharks circling in

Scramz · 9 Jul 2024 at 16:36

DanF said:
half the software in their list is pointless for a slim laptop like this. No-one is buying one of these to run blender or cinebench or other "benchmark" software

The SL7 is a cracking laptop for general use and office work. Fast and great battery life. Don't see the point in a thin and light for heavy tasks.

HighlandeR · 10 Jul 2024 at 21:03

Has their been any decent YT reviews where they used a power meter and checked wattage during several instances?

Blackjack Davy · 4 Aug 2024 at 13:10

HighlandeR said:
Linus is certainly under fire lately or is it just the sharks circling in

Its basically become a shopping channel for hardware its lost all objectivity. Fine if you've nothing better to do than watch hours of shopping channel content for everyone else... look elsewhere.

jigger · 4 Aug 2024 at 14:59

Blackjack Davy said:
Its basically become a shopping channel for hardware its lost all objectivity. Fine if you've nothing better to do than watch hours of shopping channel content for everyone else... look elsewhere.

I watched a few of his videos some time ago and realised the chap had no clue what he was talking about. Oddly his channel gets recommended to me for some reason.

Sythe79 · 4 Aug 2024 at 21:09

jigger said:
I watched a few of his videos some time ago and realised the chap had no clue what he was talking about. Oddly his channel gets recommended to me for some reason.

He's a presenter now, he doesn't write anything, so whether he has a clue or not really doesn't matter. LTT is now just the BuzzFeed of tech, with about the same level of staffers employed to churn out videos to a schedule.

Minstadave · 4 Aug 2024 at 21:29

The new AMD chips seem to have pretty much taken away whatever lead Snapdragon had, with a better GPU and none of the hassle of ARM. Pricing seems to be very premium though so far.

humbug · 5 Aug 2024 at 09:58

Grim5 said:

From the same channel.

Power efficiency is the same as the Qualcomm laptops. they perform just as good, but because they are using X86 everything works, you don't have to deal with software compatibility, you don't have to deal with software not working, the integrated graphics are better, the NPU is better.
So this leaves this whole Snapdragon thing you're been hearing about over the last couple of weeks.... other than the quality of the Surface laptop i can't see a reason for these Snapdragon laptop's to exist.

This was inevitable, all Qualcomm ever did was compare them to Intel, ignoring AMD completely, of course they did, Intel are not AMD, these new Ryzen 300 series APU's are way better than Intel latest and greatest, they are just as good as Qualcomm or better in any measure, and they are X86.

I would say that Microsoft must be kicking them selves right now but i think they knew this was going to happen, they seem to have a weird anti-AMD stance when it comes to their own in house MacBook equivalent Laptop's, no one else has what seems snobbishness and with that i hope these Surface Laptop's sit collecting dust.

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Scramz · 5 Aug 2024 at 09:58

Minstadave said:
The new AMD chips seem to have pretty much taken away whatever lead Snapdragon had, with a better GPU and none of the hassle of ARM. Pricing seems to be very premium though so far.

Not really, they are for different use cases. AMD still cant compete with battery/power/efficiently in the ultra light office market which Snapdragon is aimed at. I expected AMD to compete with standby battery too but it didnt. They are very close, but not there yet. From the reviews I have seen, AMD power efficiency is competing when running high work loads, SD are no different at them workloads, but at lower work loads with is what SD is aimed at AMD cant compete yet. When its up against the like of the Surface book 7, it cant compete on battery per wh. There is also a review showing how much snappier the SD is over the new AMD too. Its not as clear cut as some make it seem

Im going to get one of these new AMD laptops to test against the SD.

Snappiness video below.

AMD's new RYZEN 9 AI 365, 370 vs. Snapdragon X Elite

Testing the new Ryzen AI 9 365 and 370 against the macbook and snapdragon elite processors. Is x86 dead?Galaxy Book 4 Edge Reviewhttps://www.youtube.com/wat...

youtu.be

humbug · 5 Aug 2024 at 10:08

Scramz said:
Not really, they are for different use cases. AMD still cant compete with battery/power/efficiently in the ultra light office market which Snapdragon is aimed at. I expected AMD to compete with standby battery too but it didnt. They are very close, but not there yet. From the reviews I have seen, AMD power efficiency is competing when running high work loads, SD are no different at them workloads, but at lower work loads with is what SD is aimed at AMD cant compete yet. When its up against the like of the Surface book 7, it cant compete on battery per wh.

People don't sit with their screen open and doing nothing but watching low resolution Youtube, that's a very specific use case that no one does and Yotubers who followed this sort of review direction are doing Qualcomm marketing, Linus.

If you use them as you normally would day to day they are no better if not worse than AMD's Laptop's, Only because they are X86 they actually work, AMD have put this whole ARM vs X86 argument to bed, no its not any more efficient. Its nothing to do with ARM vs X86, its about how you design and build those architectures and AMD are not Intel.

humbug · 5 Aug 2024 at 10:10

Just wait for the Z2 Extreme, it will blow your socks off...

Scramz · 5 Aug 2024 at 12:28

humbug said:
People don't sit with their screen open and doing nothing but watching low resolution Youtube, that's a very specific use case that no one does and Yotubers who followed this sort of review direction are doing Qualcomm marketing, Linus.

If you use them as you normally would day to day they are no better if not worse than AMD's Laptop's, Only because they are X86 they actually work, AMD have put this whole ARM vs X86 argument to bed, no its not any more efficient. Its nothing to do with ARM vs X86, its about how you design and build those architectures and AMD are not Intel.

I'm not comparing ARM vs X86 I don't care about that, I'm looking at it from real world usage and as an overall product.

People buying an ultra light are not sitting the loading up all the cores all the time either. The snappiness of the SD seems hugely ahead and will make a big difference if you're constantly in office docs and emails all day. Maybe that's down to the faster ST SD offers, but the loading difference seems more than just ST speed. For office/light usage, AMD still cant compete with SD on battery life according to the reviews. Especially the SL7.

I understand low resolution is almost pointless, however here is a 4k youtube run at 40% brightness and the SL7 SD is leagues ahead, even on a significantly smaller battery. Its doesn't count for everything, but it does for something.

Webcam and mics are still way ahead on SD due to its signal processing, again better for the products intended purpose.

As for "they actually work" again for its intended purpose. I use X86 and SD laptops all day Mon-Fri and Iv had zero issues with the SD and software support on an office environment, even emulating programs such as adobe etc.

I will get one of these AMD laptops in and compare. From the details we have so far, its not cut and dry. AMD have made an amazing CPU no doubt. By no means have they killed SD, yet!

This a great though, companies driving each other to produce better products for us.

jigger · 5 Aug 2024 at 12:30

humbug said:
People don't sit with their screen open and doing nothing but watching low resolution Youtube, that's a very specific use case that no one does and Yotubers who followed this sort of review direction are doing Qualcomm marketing, Linus.

If you use them as you normally would day to day they are no better if not worse than AMD's Laptop's, Only because they are X86 they actually work, AMD have put this whole ARM vs X86 argument to bed, no its not any more efficient. Its nothing to do with ARM vs X86, its about how you design and build those architectures and AMD are not Intel.

I’ve said for years, Windows is no place for ARM. Windows is hardly a place for X86.

If people can’t use Linux they should not use ARM. If you want a ARM processor for some reason, Apple is the place for you.

humbug · 5 Aug 2024 at 14:16

Scramz said:
I'm not comparing ARM vs X86 I don't care about that, I'm looking at it from real world usage and as an overall product.

People buying an ultra light are not sitting the loading up all the cores all the time either. The snappiness of the SD seems hugely ahead and will make a big difference if you're constantly in office docs and emails all day. Maybe that's down to the faster ST SD offers, but the loading difference seems more than just ST speed. For office/light usage, AMD still cant compete with SD on battery life according to the reviews. Especially the SL7.

I understand low resolution is almost pointless, however here is a 4k youtube run at 40% brightness and the SL7 SD is leagues ahead, even on a significantly smaller battery. Its doesn't count for everything, but it does for something.

Webcam and mics are still way ahead on SD due to its signal processing, again better for the products intended purpose.

As for "they actually work" again for its intended purpose. I use X86 and SD laptops all day Mon-Fri and Iv had zero issues with the SD and software support on an office environment, even emulating programs such as adobe etc.

I will get one of these AMD laptops in and compare. From the details we have so far, its not cut and dry. AMD have made an amazing CPU no doubt. By no means have they killed SD, yet!

This a great though, companies driving each other to produce better products for us.

Is that a first party Qualcomm slide?

Ok, Same Laptop but with a slightly different APU, the 365 has a 20 thread CPU, the 370 in this test has a 24 thread CPU, other than that they are the same.

4K Netflix over Wifi, the Yoga Slim 7X has a 70 Watt Hour Battery, the S16 a 78 Watt Hour Battery, so the AMD laptop has an 11% larger battery, that battery had 14% more charge in it, i'd call that equal.

Ok, that's light workloads, now lets look at heavy workloads, we are ignoring the PX13 here because it has an RTX 4060 in it and its also looking like its set to boost a little higher, so we will look at the lower score for the AMD Laptop.

370 Score 925: (100%)
X-Elite score: 1002 (108%)

Power

370: 33 Watts (100%)
X-Elite: 54 watts (164%)

So for an 8% higher score its using 64% more power. so doing heavy tasks the X-Elite will chew through its battery in half the time.

So much for that ARM efficiency.