Caporegime
The Zen 5 Ryzen is almost as efferent as the M3 and that's on a more advanced node...
Intel crap is, well' crap...
Intel crap is, well' crap...
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Snapdragon X Elite Reviews
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Caporegime
I'll say this about the efficiency of these things watching video's, its meaningless, not just because you don't buy a £1500 high end Laptop to spend 18 hours vs 20 hours vs 22 hours watching Netflix on the battery, its because the CPU, it being the thing that you're reviewing uses so little power doing that it is not the primary concern for battery longevity, if the CPU is using 2 watts doing that then the screen, the Hard drive, the system memory, the motherboard, any LED lighting..... becomes a huge factor, you can turn a loss for your product in to a win just by turning the brightness up on the screen of your competitors laptop, or you can manipulate the results by choosing a competitors laptop that uses just one more watt performing such a task completely independently from the CPU.
What matters is how much power the CPU draws and what sort of performance you're getting for that when the CPU is doing actual stuff, in that Qualcomm fall's flat on its face.
What matters is how much power the CPU draws and what sort of performance you're getting for that when the CPU is doing actual stuff, in that Qualcomm fall's flat on its face.
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Is that a first party Qualcomm slide?
Ok, Same Laptop but with a slightly different APU, the 365 has a 20 thread CPU, the 370 in this test has a 24 thread CPU, other than that they are the same.
4K Netflix over Wifi, the Yoga Slim 7X has a 70 Watt Hour Battery, the S16 a 78 Watt Hour Battery, so the AMD laptop has an 11% larger battery, that battery had 14% more charge in it, i'd call that equal.
Ok, that's light workloads, now lets look at heavy workloads, we are ignoring the PX13 here because it has an RTX 4060 in it and its also looking like its set to boost a little higher, so we will look at the lower score for the AMD Laptop.
370 Score 925: (100%)
X-Elite score: 1002 (108%)
Power
370: 33 Watts (100%)
X-Elite: 54 watts (164%)
So for an 8% higher score its using 64% more power. so doing heavy tasks the X-Elite will chew through its battery in half the time.
So much for that ARM efficiency.
AMD have great efficiency in heavy workloads, but again talking from an overall product people do not buy ultra thin and lights to do heavy workout loads, in the same way no one is sitting on youtube on 720p at 150 nits for hours on end.
The SD Surface laptops battery performance is leagues ahead of even other SD laptops for whatever reason, Lenovo isn't that great by comparison, maybe the way Lenovo have configured their laptops.
Its also buying the tool for the job you need it to do and the experience using the product. The general consensus across the reviews is that AMD have done something great (We can all acknowledge that) but it doesn't kill off SD. I am going to test this new AMD against the SD and see in real world use what the differences are. From the reviews, the snappiness difference alone will be a huge consideration given SD's are targeted for light personal/office based workloads.
As I said I use both SD and X86 laptops nearly every day, the SD has been by far the best Windows experience on a laptop for office business work I have ever used. It am excited to to compare them to the new AMD.
Caporegime
Read the post above you ^^^^
Caporegime
Ok.... here is my take.
Nothing wrong with these Snapdragon chips, they are great, they do have good efficiency, certainly better than Intel and i'm sure some of its compatibility issues will be ironed out in time, but even so it does not make them the best CPU's for the job, or most jobs.
My problem is they don't belong in £1200 - £1500 Laptop's, this is Microsoft trying to normalise something that isn't great for a huge amount of money, they want us to learn to accept the En____tification of products for profit, No!
These things are fine in £300 to £600 laptops.
Nothing wrong with these Snapdragon chips, they are great, they do have good efficiency, certainly better than Intel and i'm sure some of its compatibility issues will be ironed out in time, but even so it does not make them the best CPU's for the job, or most jobs.
My problem is they don't belong in £1200 - £1500 Laptop's, this is Microsoft trying to normalise something that isn't great for a huge amount of money, they want us to learn to accept the En____tification of products for profit, No!
These things are fine in £300 to £600 laptops.
For things like graphics design, video editing, software development, etc. there is little-to-no chance an AMD machine will compete with a MacBook in efficiency. Obviously Apple have an advantage in that they can tune every step of the process, so you'd imagine that AMD would fair better with all things equal.
The Snapdragon chips are impressive for a first release; they're competitive, performance-wise, with Intel and AMD, and that's on a poorly optimised and buggy Windows for ARM. Probably plenty gains to be had in software/drivers.
I'm all for Intel, AMD and Qualcomm competing; as soon as they have something closer to a MacBook, I'll gladly jump ship. Doesn't help that laptop manufactures have struggled to build competitive hardware (we're only now seeing multiple options with haptic touchpads).
If you have a great low power CPU and put them in a power hungry laptop, no one can actually benefit from the CPUs full efficiency. AMD could scream from the roof tops about the CPUs power sipping performance, but no one would benefit if its not in a good product, so its pointless. This is exactly why I talk from an overall product perspective, the real world experience, and I test them myself. So far, nothing running Windows touches the SD for its intended purpose. I will find out personally when I get hold of these AMD laptops.
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They'd be worth the money if they were finished products. The OS is completely half-baked whereas Apple, while they had issues, was mostly stable and had relatively reliable emulation.
I picked up a SL7 X plus for £750 just after launch with codes/promos. Who really pays RRP price.
Caporegime
Apple did it right, for as much as i hate to say it they are fantastic products, i hate it i hate it i hate it.... they are fantastic, they have done everything right./
This is Microsoft trying to pass these machines off as an equivalent and prices to match, they are not that, not by a very long way and the fact that they think they can manipulate me like this with marketing is insulting, its like they think i'm stupid, i take that personally.
Put a proper chip in what is quite a nice chassis and i might consider it.
Don
Microsoft can't even finish the x86 version of windows, so you've no hope for the Arm version ever being finished
This isn’t the first release. Anyone else remember the abomination that was Windows RT?
Apple didn't do it completely right though. It will full of bugs and performance issues on release, especially Rosetta. I ended up ditching the first MB air m1 due to issues. They have got it right over the years following. And pricing remains around the same from day one.
You have taken offence to a product that is clearly not targeted at you.
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Apple did it the only it can be done.
Don
I'd believe you if you said that about their m68k>PPC transition, or maybe even their PPC>x86, but not a chance that there were any breaking issues with x86>m1.
Oh I have zero expectation that they'll actually improve it, which will mean no investment from software companies i.e. supporting ARM builds, and it'll likely die.Microsoft can't even finish the x86 version of windows, so you've no hope for the Arm version ever being finished
When I say "first" I mean, not absolute unusable garbage. The previous Snapdragon chips could barely run a calculator.
Their OS is balls though. Would rather use Windows.
Rosetta's performance at launch on some apps was terrible. It took them time to iron it out. Why do people give them a pass but not MS.
Caporegime
Yes... i agree.
Microsoft can't even finish the x86 version of windows, so you've no hope for the Arm version ever being finished
Yeah, if people are expecting Microsoft to come and save them, they might want to curb expectations.