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*** AMD "Zen" thread (inc AM4/APU discussion) ***

Well I'm frustrated as hell. Been working on my new system for 17 hours straight and it won't stay running for more than ten minutes... not overclocked or stock clocked or auto clocked. It booted on first try but just won't get stable. It's not running hot... never over 52 c. I'm flummoxed. 1700x. 32gb (2 × 16) Corsair Vengeance LPX 2666, Biostar x370GT7, Asus Strix ROG RX 480 8GB, WIN 10 PRO, I need suggestions for all these damn voltages and timings because whatever I'm trying isn't working. And I've read elsewhere that this RAM is fine with this and most of the Am4 boards.

If not running at stock
Mem test your sticks with a few passes and if you have any other parts to change do so to find the culprit if its not your mem more likely its the MB at fault

but could be psu or gfx ...
 
I misunderstood, thinking your post was in response to what I said, Sorry,
Personally I think Ryzen 7 is a solid platform to build a gaming rig around,
Like you I have a 4790k (or at least I think that's what you have, just spelt wrong in your signature)
so I have no need to rush into Ryzen but, as it stands now my next build will be an 8 core Ryzen.

I find it strange how so many onliners have been up in arms over Ryzens performance.

No worries and nah it was that magic i7 49XX series ;)

But yeah I think so too. I don't see any problems with regards to what it can do right now and it only seems to be improving. I would say the actual part letting the CPU down is that the motherboards are all a little meh tbh with nothing on the ITX or MATX side that I would be looking for.

Am hoping I am ready for the Ryzen+ though to upgrade which is why I have been following, reading and testing the Ryzen chips so far.
 
Well I'm frustrated as hell. Been working on my new system for 17 hours straight and it won't stay running for more than ten minutes... not overclocked or stock clocked or auto clocked. It booted on first try but just won't get stable. It's not running hot... never over 52 c. I'm flummoxed. 1700x. 32gb (2 × 16) Corsair Vengeance LPX 2666, Biostar x370GT7, Asus Strix ROG RX 480 8GB, WIN 10 PRO, I need suggestions for all these damn voltages and timings because whatever I'm trying isn't working. And I've read elsewhere that this RAM is fine with this and most of the Am4 boards.
Tried running RAM at lowest multiplier possible? What happens when it dies, does it turn itself off, bluescreen, freeze, etc.?
 
Well I'm frustrated as hell. Been working on my new system for 17 hours straight and it won't stay running for more than ten minutes... not overclocked or stock clocked or auto clocked. It booted on first try but just won't get stable. It's not running hot... never over 52 c. I'm flummoxed. 1700x. 32gb (2 × 16) Corsair Vengeance LPX 2666, Biostar x370GT7, Asus Strix ROG RX 480 8GB, WIN 10 PRO, I need suggestions for all these damn voltages and timings because whatever I'm trying isn't working. And I've read elsewhere that this RAM is fine with this and most of the Am4 boards.

Is it crashing at desktop when idle?

Or is it when stressing it?

How is it crashing?
 
Hmmm mentioned here towards the bottom is another AGESA BIOS update 1.0.0.5 scheduled for May which mentions improving the overclocking of DDR4 ram!

Also the next AGESA update scheduled for this month:

1. We have reduced DRAM latency by approximately 6ns. This can result in higher performance for latency-sensitive applications.
2. We resolved a condition where an unusual FMA3 code sequence could cause a system hang.
3. We resolved the “overclock sleep bug” where an incorrect CPU frequency could be reported after resuming from S3 sleep.
4. AMD Ryzen™ Master no longer requires the High-Precision Event Timer (HPET).

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Fast ram speed compatibility possibly incoming. Mentioned at the bottom here.
 
Hmmm mentioned here towards the bottom is another AGESA BIOS update 1.0.0.5 scheduled for May which mentions improving the overclocking of DDR4 ram!

Also the next AGESA update scheduled for this month:

1. We have reduced DRAM latency by approximately 6ns. This can result in higher performance for latency-sensitive applications.
2. We resolved a condition where an unusual FMA3 code sequence could cause a system hang.
3. We resolved the “overclock sleep bug” where an incorrect CPU frequency could be reported after resuming from S3 sleep.
4. AMD Ryzen™ Master no longer requires the High-Precision Event Timer (HPET).
Yeah that was mentioned in the original AMD post about AGESA 1.0.0.4. I also liked the fact that they acknowledged and fixed a microcode issue - it's a bit different to Intel who try to bury all of their CPU bugs as soon as possible (they don't even leave them up in a searchable archive).
 
Yeah that was mentioned in the original AMD post about AGESA 1.0.0.4. I also liked the fact that they acknowledged and fixed a microcode issue - it's a bit different to Intel who try to bury all of their CPU bugs as soon as possible (they don't even leave them up in a searchable archive).

You would think AMD would be quicker to resolving these then saying will be sometime in May...Unless there still testing...
 
You would think AMD would be quicker to resolving these then saying will be sometime in May...Unless there still testing...
Remember that it's up to motherboard manufacturers to update the AGESA and do a bunch of testing before releasing BIOS updates that actually include the new AGESA. So you're looking at a month or more between AMD rolling out a new AGESA and new BIOS updates being available.
 
I have faith in AM4. Just a gut feeling. AMD are being very honest and open about everything. It's all laid out and they are clearly working on the remaining issues.

Give it a few months and I'm sure everything will be sorted out. By June/July/September I imagine everything should have mostly have been dealt with.
 
You would think AMD would be quicker to resolving these then saying will be sometime in May...Unless there still testing...

It took 6 months + for Intel to sort out memory side of things on X99 so for AMD to be rolling stuff out in a few months seems pretty reasonable. I think the context to what people are suggesting that it would be quicker is really just based on when someone waves a finger in the air and goes oh I think it is now that we need 'X' 'Y' and 'Z' sorted forgetting that it doesn't happen like that.
 
Surely a windows update wouldn't boost everything by 20%!?

1700 @ 3.8Ghz scoring over 2087 on cinebench and massive boosts on other benchs on Windows 10 1703 Creators Update build??? Real or Fake?

That single thread one CB and CPU-z, CPU-z ST smashes the 7700k, if true.

https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/PC_Shopping/M.1491336038.A.DF8.html

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/63itas/20_more_performance_on_1703_or_just_a_bug/


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My Cinebench at 3.7Ghz takes 28 seconds, his took 21 seconds at 3.8Ghz, unless the video is running fast which it doesn't seem like it is?

EDIT: The video is not running faster, it is normal. The clock in the bottom right is spot on. This has made this very interesting... What does everyone else get (time wise) on CB with their clocks.

EDIT 2: So did others...

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Highly skeptical that it isn't the sleep bug (or similar).

Obviously it would be amazing if this were real.

There are soooo many moving parts at the moment with BIOS updates (BIOS themselves, the microcode updates in those etc), Windows changes, driver changes, software updates and sprinkled salt making that Ryzen delicious, that it is a hard to tell a lot of the time what is the cause of performance improvements. Through a few bugs into the mix and it is definitely not straightforward.
 
Highly sceptical that it isn't the sleep bug (or similar).

According to the comments he did a number of restarts before testing. Does seem like too large of a jump to be true, plus I expect the media would have found out first by a leak and they have not said a thing.
 
According to the comments he did a number of restarts before testing. Does seem like too large of a jump to be true, plus I expect the media would have found out first by a leak and they have not said a thing.

Not really able to watch the video right now, but will later. I've seen gavin on here getting some much higher scores than everyone else yet unable to explain why either, so there are some weird things going on. (He was playing around with HPET off I believe, but others are unable to replicate this results).
 
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