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The UNSC didnt ask for ****, the UN did.

The UNSC is the real branch of the UN and it's just a fecal throwing match between Ex-Commies and Ex-notcommies, it is so indescribably pointless it borders on humour. With that out of the way, until the rebels **** off categorically or everyone actually agrees to a settlement, this is all they're going to get.
Short sightedness. Assad has millions of Syrian people that oppose him and he doesn't control. What do you suggest, he exterminates them all?

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UNSC indeed asking for ****
 
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https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/02/eastern-ghouta-happening-180226110239822.html

Nearly 400,000 civilians trapped as Russia and Syria bomb the hell out of Ghouta. Alleged that chlorine gas being used too. Surprised this hasn't been mentioned here already. It would be interesting to know what ROE and collateral damage threshold criteria these nation's adhere to. I'd expect more outcry over this really, particularly since Amnesty International state the bombings amounted to War Crimes.
who is claiming that the people getting their asses kicked as always? because they are desperate for usa/uk to come and destroy assad..

even channel 4 news was saying people in ghouta are happy to hear a syrian army offensive is under way.
 
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Short sightedness. Assad has millions of Syrian people that oppose him and he doesn't control. What do you suggest, he exterminates them all?

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UNSC indeed asking for ****

I highly imagine that most people just want it to end and the rebels have played their hand weakly enough that they have no choice but to continue to fight, getting the support of a large majority of the populace is hard enough in democratic nations... least of all this.

Ignoring that, lets open up the statement that people oppose him... of course they do, they live in a tribal mindset in a tribal culture, and he's going to have enemies based purely off of that (didnt really work out for Libya).
 
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I highly imagine that most people just want it to end and the rebels have played their hand weakly enough that they have no choice but to continue to fight, getting the support of a large majority of the populace is hard enough in democratic nations... least of all this.

Ignoring that, lets open up the statement that people oppose him... of course they do, they live in a tribal mindset in a tribal culture, and he's going to have enemies based purely off of that (didnt really work out for Libya).

Wait, please confirm, are you suggesting Assad exterminates all his opposition, or not?
 
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Since Assad uses non-precision bombs without any kind of collateral damage restraint, yes it would be fair to say they are "less nice".
rebel mortars are highly precise and never killed anyone, the suicide bombers are martyrs.

and ofcourse the side which is clearly winning is the one using chemical weapons when it would make no sense from a strategic standpoint.

who's spreading this crap anyway? the syriam observatory for human rights? which was that one man guy who lives in coventry
 
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rebel mortars are highly precise and never killed anyone, the suicide bombers are martyrs.

and ofcourse the side which is clearly winning is the one using chemical weapons when it would make no sense from a strategic standpoint.

who's spreading this crap anyway? the syriam observatory for human rights? which was that one man guy who lives in coventry

You're comparing the destructive power of a handful of mortar teams to a Russian backed air force? Desperate points are desperate.
 
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"NK provided Syria with materials for chemical weapons"

The Syrian regime have been using chemical weapon attacks on Ghouta for some time now.


And have continued to develop chemical weapons since.

But no doubt, this is all false flag and just propaganda, because BBC, right?

Hmm....
more likely to have been a terrorist storage house hit by the airstrikes rather than the Russians and Syrians using something so crude and so easily identifiable that once this **** storm is over can really get them ****** over in the international courts?
...I am inclined to disagree I'm afraid.
 
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Also, Assad uses bad bombs, not nice bombs.
When the enemy are setting up their mortars/artillery on top of residential buildings and firing onto civilian areas there isn't really any difference between using guided/unguided munitions in response, the collateral damage is going to be high.

The problem is sadly that if you stop responding then the insurgents know all they have to do to be safe is make sure their human shields are big enough.
 
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is this the same sources that told us about the definite WMDs in iraq?

why would syria need to pay north korea for this crap? surely they could just make it themselves, they must be more advanced than NK in pretty much everything

but I guess when you add the big baad north korea in their the story suddenly becomes more credible :rolleyes:
 
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In fairness so does Theresa May but they aren't running around the country with heavy weapons attacking police/soldiers/civilians :p

Ha, but in real fairness, May isn't gassing Scotland when half of them demand indepence (despite how enticing that action would be, judging solely on some of our resident lunatic Scots here :p )

is this the same sources that told us about the definite WMDs in iraq?

why would syria need to pay north korea for this crap? surely they could just make it themselves, they must be more advanced than NK in pretty much everything

but I guess when you add the big baad north korea in their the story suddenly becomes more credible :rolleyes:

A predictable (denial) response but please, never quote media outlets as evidence on here yourself again, you will receive a likened response.

I mean come on, seriously and realistically, who exactly is most likely to be employing chemical weapons on such a scale? A group of rebels, stuck? Or a well armed, well supported, oppressive regime (who you also think are way more developed in every way than NK). It's not like oppressive regimes have never been known for gassing their people before now has it....? Or is that tin foil conspiracy to?

they must be more advanced than NK in pretty much everything
No!

When you have more grasp on world geo-political, economical and military standing, then come back with your roll eyes.
 
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they must be more advanced than NK in pretty much everything
Everything except weapon designs, hence why NK has ICBMs/nukes and Syria doesn't. Which is more a matter of necessity as NK is sanctioned up to the eyeballs whereas Syria has always been free to buy tanks/planes/etc off whoever will sell to them so never needed to develop their own, and nuclear weapons/power isn't an option as Israel will bomb anyone in the area who even hints at nuclear ambitions.


I mean come on, seriously and realistically, who exactly is most likely to be employing chemical weapons on such a scale? A group of rebels, stuck? Or a well armed, well supported, oppressive regime
Well technically is is the rebels/ISIS, realistically it would be retarded for the regime to do it when they are winning outright and all eyes are on them, that would be shooting themselves in the foot big time (not saying that they didn't, just that it does make less sense).
 
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When the enemy are setting up their mortars/artillery on top of residential buildings and firing onto civilian areas there isn't really any difference between using guided/unguided munitions in response, the collateral damage is going to be high.

The problem is sadly that if you stop responding then the insurgents know all they have to do to be safe is make sure their human shields are big enough.
We have a ridiculous notion in the west that we can all have nice civilised wars with rules & referees.
 
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The kurds in the Afrin Area are left to die under the turkish boot and their militia, i suppose its a way to say thank you for crippling ISIS...sad that the West is doing nothing.

It's sad, but it's also how it works, every single time.

The only difference here is that the US is knowingly involved and not like with the various groups throughout history (Majuhideen for one, multiple in Central/South America and South/Aast Asia) is that once their job was done, the CIA would literally just stop caring, no support, no money, nothing.

The issue here is the US is visibly saying to people "Do not work with us, we will watch you die".

I will not be surprised if a Kurd from there or related elsewhere, to take umbridge with this and start thinking terrorism is a good way to disagree.
 
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