What to do with undesirables

[G-MAN2004]

I know you arent really looking for a sensible reply but she was a 15 year old school girl when she was groomed by IS.

We rightly dont blame the girls in Rotherham etc for what happened to them so why is it different with her?

Are you implying the little girls that got raped had a choice in the matter?

 

[Thekwango]

I refuse to accept her as a victim.

You can refuse it all you want but she’s a victim nonetheless.

 

[robfosters]

You can refuse it all you want but she’s a victim nonetheless.

Of course she isn’t. Are you and RDM on a wind up or something.

 

[Tephnos]

She actively and knowingly committed treason, has zero remorse about it and is only looking to come back because IS got stomped.

Yet some utterly clueless fools will say we should take her back with open arms. Utterly incomprehensible.

 

[Raz]

Of course she isn’t. Are you and RDM on a wind up or something.

Actually, she is if she was brainwashed/radicalised. She may well have been taken advantage of, and being taken advantage of doesn't always have to relate to sexual abuse.

However, it doesn't mean she should get a free pass. If we are what we say, a progressive and civilised society, then we should judge her for her deeds but also consider rehabilitation.

It's a bit of a tricky situation. Lock her up and it could be seen as evidence that we aren't civilised (see my point above). Let her go and there's a risk that she could radicalise Futher or others, or fail to reintegrate into society and need a constant watch.

Priority is the security of the nation and safety of citizens...

 

[hominid]

She should be turned over to the Russians/Syria to deal with as an enemy of the state/enemy combatant.

She moved out there willingly, let her rot out there.

 

[jsmoke]

She's young and easily tricked.

 

[ivrytwr3]

She's nothing to do with us. She knowingly conspired and renounced the UK. We should do nothing but not allow her back into the UK. To do anything more will open the floodgates to more signing up as there will be no fear of repercussion.

 

[Tephnos]

She's nothing to do with us. She knowingly conspired and renounced the UK. We should do nothing but not allow her back into the UK. To do anything more will open the floodgates to more signing up as there will be no fear of repercussion.

This is why you have to be harsh, but firm in cases like these. Kindness will only get you taken advantage of. People who have never known this concept, however, will willingly frolic about in their naivety.

 

[rare]

She is no more a victim than a committed national socialist was.

What’s the difference between being brain washed and genuinely believing in something? This question wouldn’t even be in the table if they were defeated militarily. So now we have to care for her wellbeing?

At what point does personal responsibility come into play?

 

[mmj_uk]

She wouldn't be wanting to come back if ISIS hadn't been defeated and were still terrorising regular Syrian people, from what she's said there's no remorse there just regret that ISIS has failed. As I've said in the last thread if she's allowed back in then the main thing is that she shouldn't be allowed to raise her child, all of the "think of the baby" emotive BS works both ways, we shouldn't be letting impressionable children be raised by someone who has sympathies for ISIS and thinks nothing of beheadings.

 

[craigmmmm]

Leave her there simple

 

[woppy101]

I know you arent really looking for a sensible reply but she was a 15 year old school girl when she was groomed by IS.

We rightly dont blame the girls in Rotherham etc for what happened to them so why is it different with her?

There is always one that try’s to justify what someone like that has done

 

[rare]

But striking an unrepentant note, she added: "I don't regret it because it's changed me as a person. It's made me stronger, tougher.

"I married my husband. I would not have had someone like him back in the UK.

"I had my kids. I did have a good time there."

She was also seemingly relaxed over the brutality of IS rule, which included beheadings.

She said: "Yeah, I knew about those things and I was okay with it.

"From what I heard, Islamically that is all allowed so I was okay with it."

I dont feel sorry for her. At all.

 

[233]

whatever government minister signs off on her coming back should be dragged into the street given mob justice as a traitor of the state

 

[jas72]

I don't get how she would be stateless. She's been living in another country for years. Them not caring or keeping records isn't our problem.

Living in another country doesn't make you a citizen of that country.

(I should know. )

I'm assuming Syria will put pressure on the UK to take her back.

You can't stop (forever) one of your citizens from returning home, nor can you make them stateless.

I don't think Syria want to put her in prison.

 

[ivrytwr3]

but she was a 15 year old school girl when she was groomed by IS.

Agreed, at that age, some are vulnerable and open to influence.

We rightly dont blame the girls in Rotherham etc for what happened to them so why is it different with her?

That is the most ridiculous comparison i have ever heard. Active terrorist supporter is equal to a Child abuse victim?

I may have understood if she had played the victim card ie she acknowledged she had made a mistake etc, but she still supports ISIS. Maybe she can strike a deal with the Intelligence agencies, but at the minute we cannot be sure she is not a trojan horse and once back on UK soil facilitates an attack - a very tough decision for all that is involved.

 

[gary996]

She has had her baby now. The baby is not British so can not enter this country. She being the mother has to look after baby so she is stuck there

 

[BowdonUK]

She'll probably end up coming back here because of the law.

But she should be locked up and tried as an enemy.

 

[RDM]

And you mentally unwell?

Probably, I am trying for a nuanced and serious conversation in GD so I must not be firing on all cylinders!

Guys, let this be a lesson to us all. Never go full retard.

Well you are the expert on that...

That is the most ridiculous comparison i have ever heard. Active terrorist supporter is equal to a Child abuse victim?

Probably an ill-advised comparison but the comparison was more young girls being groomed into believing things that aren't right rather than equating the two as equally innocent.

Don't get me wrong, I really struggle to have any sympathy for her at all, I have no idea what the right course of action is. But at the same time I am not really ready to join the rabble in baying for blood.