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Yes thanks, do you?? :)
Evidently with your recent posts, I find that hard to believe mr I’m not a trump supporter but I’ll continually defend his racist and corrupt behaviour ;).

And yes I do know how impeachment works and how the American political system works in general.
 
Newsflash.... One the articles is for abuse of power. This is a complete fail.

C'mon, keep up. :)

The fact you said "abuse of power" is not a crime. My point being that the list of things you can be impeached for as POTUS are not all crimes. Hence my question to you. Or did you think impeachment only involved crimes? Please keep up.
 
The whitehouse refused the subpeona for transcripts and audio recordings. That what the Obstruction of Congress impeachment is.

I'm assuming you know what the separation of powers is and how it works.

If so, house subpoenas issued can be refused by the executive branch. When this happens, then the house take this to the courts and the courts decide the fate of the deadlocked situation.

That's it in basic terms.

The house chose not to then follow the correct process, their choice.
 
Evidently with your recent posts, I find that hard to believe mr I’m not a trump supporter but I’ll continually defend his racist and corrupt behaviour ;).

And yes I do know how impeachment works and how the American political system works in general.

WOW, you changed your tune. :)

Let's not lose the context here eh ;)
 
Let's not lose the context here eh ;)

Sorry, got carried away....

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WOW, you changed your tune. :)

Can you not deliberately quote people completely out of context.

Hell would freeze over before he would stop doing that lol.
Does that also go for those who make complete lies up about something i did not say?

No one has made anything up about you and what you consistently say when it comes to Trump. You continually dig yourself into a hole then cry about it when you are called out for your sheer ignorance and misinformation.
It’s all there in black and white ;).
 
The people in here who post in the Trump thread have seen this a 100 times before, to those that don't - you will get nowhere.

They're ~50, don't care about your truth and facts, projects, craves the attention and use playground tactics. A thread like this is a gold mine for them.

If you can't convince them Trump is racist - how far do you think you're going to get regarding complicated things like impeachment?

Edit - some highlights from the Trump thread in SC...

The biggest lying swamp monster in DC.

Schiff’s false claim his committee had not spoken to the whistleblower
That's been proven in the hearings to be not true as the Ukraine did not know that the aid was on the cards and being held up, so they were under no pressure. Even the Ukraine president said this. It an non issue that's being made up just like the Russian collusion story. False.
He held up military aid paid for by the american taxpayers. he has every right to do that as the president and it's his job. Really, really false.
Were you equally terrified when Obama's administration gave Russia a stack of Uranium?

Were you equally terrified when Obama's administration gave Iran billions to behave?
by your own standards then, please post the actual quotes of Trump calling someone a racist name???
Like wise...

Is there any actual evidence of Trump being racist? last time I checked criticising leaders of a rat infested city in the US isn't racist, it's just basic common sense.
A truly pathetic post and shows how limited your brain actually is.

Sigh...
That's because you fail to understand what a debate is about. You made a claim, i asked for a source (as you know I don't use twitter like you Trump obsessives do!!).

You seem very angry and bitter.
I have never denied he lies, of course he does as I have said before, he's a politician.

I just think that some of these left biased outlets embellish and sensationalise their stories, that is there job at the end of the day.

Trump feeds of that, so then he doubles down and they get crazy about it.

He wants to be the centre of attention, he uses tweeter to get a rise out of the MSM and they fall for all the time, like many people here who are obsessed with him and what he says.
Who's apologising on behalf of Trump?

If you are referring to me, it's a very back handed personal attack.

Never apologised for Trump and while you treat this thread like a GD thread, I'm trying to put across another perspective on certain talking points.
If you call me a Trump excuser, then you are definitely a rabid Trump hater.

I have backed my opinion up many times only to be dictated and shut down by people who won't debate and just say i don't like you evidence, I won't look at you evidence.

All i see is anyone who does not 100% agree with mob, get called a trump excuser and other whataboutery.

As you see; projection, attention, deflection. It's Trump 101.
 
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I didn't say that..... clearly making things up.

My point was you clearly did not know that one of the articles of impeachment was for abuse of power.

Sorry that was mmj, but when I replied to him it was you that came back with the rebuttal so I assumed it had been you or at the very least you agreed with mmj.

Of course I know what the articles of impeachment are. I think anybody listening or watching the news over the last few months know.

What are you arguing about? Are you defending mmj that abuse of power is not a crime and hence shouldnt lead to impeachment or are you trying (and failing) to argue some other point you don;t seem to have got round to?
 
An insane read on Trump and his attitude to the US military and the US's allies:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...WuxN15kZXlpOE9Ndbvf0j13J0AWGfdLA8TfA2VRSsAZTY

An excerpt:
For the next 90 minutes, Mattis, Tillerson, and Cohn took turns trying to emphasize their points, pointing to their charts and diagrams. They showed where U.S. personnel were positioned, at military bases, CIA stations, and embassies, and how U.S. deployments fended off the threats of terror cells, nuclear blasts, and destabilizing enemies in places including Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, the Korea Peninsula, and Syria. Cohn spoke for about 20 minutes about the value of free trade with America’s allies, emphasizing how he saw each trade agreement working together as part of an overall structure to solidify U.S. economic and national security.

Trump appeared peeved by the schoolhouse vibe but also allergic to the dynamic of his advisers talking at him. His ricocheting attention span led him to repeatedly interrupt the lesson. He heard an adviser say a word or phrase and then seized on that to interject with his take. For instance, the word “base” prompted him to launch in to say how “crazy” and “stupid” it was to pay for bases in some countries.

Trump’s first complaint was to repeat what he had vented about to his national security adviser months earlier: South Korea should pay for a $10 billion missile defense system that the United States built for it. The system was designed to shoot down any short- and medium-range ballistic missiles from North Korea to protect South Korea and American troops stationed there. But Trump argued that the South Koreans should pay for it, proposing that the administration pull U.S. troops out of the region or bill the South Koreans for their protection.

“We should charge them rent,” Trump said of South Korea. “We should make them pay for our soldiers. We should make money off of everything.”

Trump proceeded to explain that NATO, too, was worthless. U.S. generals were letting the allied member countries get away with murder, he said, and they owed the United States a lot of money after not living up to their promise of paying their dues.

“They’re in arrears,” Trump said, reverting to the language of real estate. He lifted both his arms at his sides in frustration. Then he scolded top officials for the untold millions of dollars he believed they had let slip through their fingers by allowing allies to avoid their obligations.

“We are owed money you haven’t been collecting!” Trump told them. “You would totally go bankrupt if you had to run your own business.”
 
“How do you know it does? The impeachment process did not call/subpoena the transcript as it had already been released. You are just buying into the MSM's lies that it does exist. However, Biden has his quid pro quo on video, how can you deny that?

If you really believe there is a different transcript, why has the house of Dems not taken the procedural steps to get it? “
The house did take procedural steps to get it and Trump illegally refused. The house then tried to subpoena the evidence and Trump illegally refused again. What do you think the Obstruction of Congress Charge was all about? Its not MSM lies that’s just your deflection so you don’t have to admit the truth.

You seem to be missing a few key facts and points. Let’s me summarise the events.
  • Trump makes 2 phone calls, note 2 calls. You seem to forgot about the other one.
  • A first hand witness whistles blows about illegal activity by Trump using the correct procedure to Congress
  • Congress whose job it is to provide oversite on Trump ask to see the records. Records which are not sensitive and should be fine for Congress to view. Trump refuses.
  • Trump illegally moves the records onto a secure sever they don’t belong on to hide them from Congress.
  • Congress subpoena the transcripts and audio recordings.
  • Trump not only still refuses to hand them over but he orders the Whitehouse staff not to cooperate with congress. (The main Obstruction of Congress Charge)
  • Weeks later Trump puts out a heavy edited transcript of 1 call with more then half the text missing and zero transcript for the other call.
  • Trump gets impeached a big part due to Obstruction of Congress that he could have been avoided if he was innocent and worked with Congress.
  • Weeks later Lev who was heavy involved in Trumps illegal scheme comes out and say it’s all true. He hands over all his evidence to prove it along with his hand written notes, meetings, phone records, message e.c.t This shows not only is it true but there is more than just quid pro quo illegal activity.
  • Ukraine look at all the new evidence from Lev and open up their own independent investigation into Trumps illegal activities.
  • US Government Accountability Office looking at the new evidence rule what Trump did was illegal.
  • FBI has an Foreign-Money Probe into Trumps illegal foreign money deals.
This is far more then just leftists Democrats nonsense and is far more than just about winning the next race. Why can you not admit that? If Trump is so innocent why did he hide and still hiding today the records that could have cleared his name? If he is innocent why did he order the WH not to cooperate with congress? If he is innocent how come first hand whiteness who are deeply involved said it all happened and more and provided evidence?





“The impeachment process did not call/subpoena the transcript as it had already been released.”
That is wrong congress did do a subpoena which is what the Obstruction of Congress is all about. There was a subpoena for the transcripts and audio recordings which Trump refused to hand over.

How many times do I have to point it out to you that the transcript was never released? Why do you keep lying and saying it was? What Trump put out was not the transcript. It was heavily edited document of one call and zero transcript of the other call.

Like I asked before and you keep refusing to answer. If Biden put out a heavily edited transcript with more then half the text missing and zero transcript of a 2nd call and said this clears his name what would you do and say? Would you accept that as Biden being innocent? Why do you keep skipping this question?



“In your opinion they are more despicable. I say they are all equally corrupt, so call them all out rather than just the one focused by the deranged left.

You still seem to think that when 2 ppl commit the same crime, they are not equal... This is at the root of the left's hypocrisy. If the guy on the left commits the crime, turn a blind eye, if the guy on the guy on the right commits the crime, crucify him.”
You misunderstand. If 2 people commit the same crime for the first time, they are equal. If 1 person comments the crime once and another is a multiple repeat offender the repeat offender is worse. If 2 people are repeat offenders of the same crime treat them both the same.




“I'm saying do the same for both, either turn a blind eye to both (don't support that) or crucify them both (preferred option). There fore you are taking the lefts position here 'but. But he's worse!!!!!'. ”
I said if there is any evidence of wrong doing by Biden is should be investigated and punished. Any wrong doing by Biden does not clear Trump of his wrong doing. The same for the other way around any wrong doing of Trump doesn’t clear Biden. How does that make me a left position? How does Biden justify you defending Trump? I have never once said but Trump is worse so let Biden of the hook.

You are acting like Trump and Biden are equal but they are not. Trump has commented extra over what Biden did and worse then what Biden did. Everything you say Biden is guilty off Trumps is guilty of as well. Only Trump is guilty of more on top of what Biden has done. So why are you shouting out Biden but defending Trump?

You say crucify both but then go do the opposite and defend Trump. You’re the one full of hypocrisy. You are doing the very thing you are calling out the leftist of doing. Biden should be punished for anything he has done. But that does not mean he is equal to Trump or that Trump should be left off the hook.
 
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