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Probably a permanent "feature"
Does it run 3D apps ok? Assume it's as good as W7? Tempted to give the developer preview a go but at the same time might wait till Feb for the beta (if the rumours are true.)
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Probably a permanent "feature"
Does it run 3D apps ok? Assume it's as good as W7? Tempted to give the developer preview a go but at the same time might wait till Feb for the beta (if the rumours are true.)
What do you mean 3d apps?
I run paint.net, open office, mine craft, swtor, kerbalspaceprogram, 7zip, Superantispyware
Must be others but can't think of them and it's fine. Well I got a tiny problem I think something went wrong at some point I get an error message about esnt which appears to be something to do with windows live. But everything still works and it only poped up recently.
As for apple, it appears to be a driver issue, it dongs to say device connected, but nothing shows up in iTunes.
But yeah I would wait, really not worth it ATM as there's about 3 metro apps. Microsoft has confirmed marketplace will go live in feb and they showed of a hole host of new keyboard and mouse controls. So I'm expecting a beta to be out at the same time. I would wait.
I run paint.net, open office, mine craft, swtor, kerbalspaceprogram, 7zip, Superantispyware
Must be others but can't think of them and it's fine. Well I got a tiny problem I think something went wrong at some point I get an error message about esnt which appears to be something to do with windows live. But everything still works and it only poped up recently.
As for apple, it appears to be a driver issue, it dongs to say device connected, but nothing shows up in iTunes.
But yeah I would wait, really not worth it ATM as there's about 3 metro apps. Microsoft has confirmed marketplace will go live in feb and they showed of a hole host of new keyboard and mouse controls. So I'm expecting a beta to be out at the same time. I would wait.
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Can't wait for CES tomoz to find out some more juicy deets on Windows 8.
I hope they do the launch party scheme again, I participated last time, still got all the stuff they sent.
Here's a pic of my party.
LMFAO!!
Count me in!
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lol just for the record that isn't actually my Windows 7 party pic.
Sure it isn't!
In my limited experience with the beta on my 'old' PC, I'd say no. I noticed a fair few odd little niggles here and there, so I imagine day-to-day they'd be more obvious.
I'll be interested to see what the beta is like, I'm not a huge fan of it so far though. I like what's been added and improved in the 'desktop' side of things, but I don't see the Metro panel being very useful on a normal desktop or notebook PC so it's annoying that they seem to want to replace the Start menu with it, it makes things so much more awkward.
Why does the average home user need a desktop? They simply don't and metro is a much better "desktop" for the home user.
As for switching from one to the other, that doesn't happen if you don't want to. Once your in desktop I can stay in desktop for weeks at a time with out switching between the two.
The transition is also fast, so if you do need to go to control panel it's hardly difficult, or just open it once and pin it to task bar.
Once apps are released, metro will actually have a use.
What nigles do you get?
As for switching from one to the other, that doesn't happen if you don't want to. Once your in desktop I can stay in desktop for weeks at a time with out switching between the two.
The transition is also fast, so if you do need to go to control panel it's hardly difficult, or just open it once and pin it to task bar.
Once apps are released, metro will actually have a use.
What nigles do you get?
Metro is better for the "average" home user, but it's also better/quicker for pretty much anyone, including for work use...
First, look at the current start menu on Vista / 7...
... As you can see theres a VERY tiny space that lists your installed programs which you have to scroll through constantly. What makes things worse is that you have to hunt through folders and sub folders to find something. When opening all these folders it makes the list longer so you have to scroll even more. On my monitors (2560x1600) this really is an insane waste of space as no matter how high your displays resolution is the list does not scale with res and only ever shows 20 folders / programs!
One way to solve some of these problems is to use the old XP style menu's (heres an example when used on Win 8)...
... This atleast makes more use of space - but it's still a total mess to look at, and you still have to search through sub folders, which again makes sub menu's appear, sometimes going down a few layers of sub menu's. It's also awkward when you do have to scroll up and down as the list auto scroll's and sometimes goes past stuff you're looking for. So once again, not exactly great.
Now we have Metro...
... With this it finally uses the whole screen to display software/apps. And this scales with screen res, showing more apps with larger displays, so on my 2560x1600 display i'm going to get a **** load of apps shown to me - 150 to be exact! compared to just 20 on Vista / 7. It's also organised in alphabetical groups with larger easy to recognise icons, plus you can simply start typing and it automatically searches as you type (no need for a search box).
Yes Metro takes up the whole screen (which is GOOD thing) so if you're watching a video it will get in the way, but with these cases you simply pin your most used apps to the taskbar as you would in Win 7. According to MS's stats taken from millions of PC's, 88% of app launches don’t actually originate from the Start menu anyway, they're from the taskbar, Explorer, and the desktop.
BTW the above pic is different from the Dev Preview - MS has improved Metro and the apps screen since then. And if anyones wondering you can get to this apps screen in Win 8 by hovering in the bottom left corner of the Start Button –> Search. Or by pressing Windows Key + S (i think).
First, look at the current start menu on Vista / 7...
... As you can see theres a VERY tiny space that lists your installed programs which you have to scroll through constantly. What makes things worse is that you have to hunt through folders and sub folders to find something. When opening all these folders it makes the list longer so you have to scroll even more. On my monitors (2560x1600) this really is an insane waste of space as no matter how high your displays resolution is the list does not scale with res and only ever shows 20 folders / programs!
One way to solve some of these problems is to use the old XP style menu's (heres an example when used on Win 8)...
... This atleast makes more use of space - but it's still a total mess to look at, and you still have to search through sub folders, which again makes sub menu's appear, sometimes going down a few layers of sub menu's. It's also awkward when you do have to scroll up and down as the list auto scroll's and sometimes goes past stuff you're looking for. So once again, not exactly great.
Now we have Metro...
... With this it finally uses the whole screen to display software/apps. And this scales with screen res, showing more apps with larger displays, so on my 2560x1600 display i'm going to get a **** load of apps shown to me - 150 to be exact! compared to just 20 on Vista / 7. It's also organised in alphabetical groups with larger easy to recognise icons, plus you can simply start typing and it automatically searches as you type (no need for a search box).
Yes Metro takes up the whole screen (which is GOOD thing) so if you're watching a video it will get in the way, but with these cases you simply pin your most used apps to the taskbar as you would in Win 7. According to MS's stats taken from millions of PC's, 88% of app launches don’t actually originate from the Start menu anyway, they're from the taskbar, Explorer, and the desktop.
BTW the above pic is different from the Dev Preview - MS has improved Metro and the apps screen since then. And if anyones wondering you can get to this apps screen in Win 8 by hovering in the bottom left corner of the Start Button –> Search. Or by pressing Windows Key + S (i think).
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Lol never knew you could do that 
But it still dont automatically scale with screen res. Metro is still an improvement
They made organisation / customisation improvements for the Beta. Theres a post on the MS blog about it but cant remember which post it is...
But it still dont automatically scale with screen res. Metro is still an improvement
They made organisation / customisation improvements for the Beta. Theres a post on the MS blog about it but cant remember which post it is...
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Looks like a typical Windows laptop at first dont it:
But BEHOLD!
It's an actual Lenovo laptop that will be out for W8 launch. Think we'll see a lot of this stuff and many other interesting designs!
Also has a high quality IPS panel, not the cheap TN crud seen in almost all laptops screens.
But BEHOLD!
It's an actual Lenovo laptop that will be out for W8 launch. Think we'll see a lot of this stuff and many other interesting designs!
Also has a high quality IPS panel, not the cheap TN crud seen in almost all laptops screens.
Soldato
Start menu? I just type what I need in the search bar. I gave up searching through a start menu when win7 came out
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Yeah, seen that Lenovo in a few youtube vids, it does look pretty awesome.
Not sure if I'd get that over a pure slate though as I don't really have the need for a laptop.
Not sure if I'd get that over a pure slate though as I don't really have the need for a laptop.
I thought the screen disconnected but it doesn't. However can I have it as a gaming device, get rid of the big clumsy desktop. Then I would also wnat a normal tablet and a PV on a stick running w8 to plug into tv for film watching and general HTPC duties.
I5/i7 with a mid range gfx card would do me. Currently have a gtx280 and that's more than good enough. How's the inbuilt gfx on the i5?
Now I just need lytro to make a new camera, higher res, usb3 and a water proof case and I'm sorted.
When is Microsoft going to update hotmail, skydrive, live. They are so outdated and pretty horriable to use.
I5/i7 with a mid range gfx card would do me. Currently have a gtx280 and that's more than good enough. How's the inbuilt gfx on the i5?
Now I just need lytro to make a new camera, higher res, usb3 and a water proof case and I'm sorted.
When is Microsoft going to update hotmail, skydrive, live. They are so outdated and pretty horriable to use.
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Nowhere near as powerful as a GTX280, although fine for the basics e.g. Minecraft.
I'd love to move from a desktop to a tablet but alas there's too much a desktop has that a tablet doesn't that I need.
Oh and the Metro start screen looks good for searching for apps with the mouse, not that I do that, most stuff is in the taskbar and I use the search box for everything else.
Edit: I also don't like how the keyboard is exposed when in slate form on that Toshiba, would rather a rotating hinge so the keyboard stays protected.
You are better of waiting 4 weeks, for the beta. No set date. But it is almost certainly be out in feb and the devloper preview is surprisingly stable.
I tried the Windows 7 beta release and it was horrid, kept freezing all the time on my old system.
When Windows 8 BETA comes out I'm going to download is straight away!
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