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Whats the upstream bps on 200Mb?
Thats what they had planned to do in Bournemouth
http://www.zdnet.co.uk/news/network...ths-sewer-based-fibre-plan-scrapped-40089804/
I have been getting a max of around 17Mb upload, which I think should be 20Mb give or take.
If you were to offer me a 100Mbps connection with a decent upload (10Mbps upwards, though symmetrical would be nice lol), at £70 a month with none of the silly "you have the fastest interwebz ever, but you can't use it between 12 noon and midnight pls" nonsense, I'd bite your arm off tbh.
£70 for fast broadband that actually works, and at a price that allows the ISP to run a decent network is a no brainer to me. I'd sign a contract on the spot. It seems I'm in the minority however.
If you were to offer me a 100Mbps connection with a decent upload (10Mbps upwards, though symmetrical would be nice lol), at £70 a month with none of the silly "you have the fastest interwebz ever, but you can't use it between 12 noon and midnight pls" nonsense, I'd bite your arm off tbh.
£70 for fast broadband that actually works, and at a price that allows the ISP to run a decent network is a no brainer to me. I'd sign a contract on the spot. It seems I'm in the minority however.
I'd be right there with you even though I can't really justifiy having those kinds of speeds. i'd be happy with 50/10 currently on 11/1
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I have had major issues with Virgin Media in the Kensington area of Liverpool, when from 1 pm till 1 am the internet is non existant (around 0.1mb) and I have rarely seen the 20mb service I had paid for.
After weeks of calling and complaining, they sent around an engineer who said to call and complain and suggested that the service in some parts of the Uk are very oversubscribed. I would love to pursue this matter further but have finally lost the energy after 5 months of being on the phone and missing work as a result.
The UK will always lag behind in terms of internet connectivity. Virgin media are advertising those speeds to get new customers and are pretty much screwing some existing customers. This is also common with other ISP's. My wish is for everyone to have a cosistent, quality 10-50 mb service with all ISP's before we move onto 100mb which frankly is a joke when there are areas where 2mb is the maximum.
I have had major issues with Virgin Media in the Kensington area of Liverpool, when from 1 pm till 1 am the internet is non existant (around 0.1mb) and I have rarely seen the 20mb service I had paid for.
After weeks of calling and complaining, they sent around an engineer who said to call and complain and suggested that the service in some parts of the Uk are very oversubscribed. I would love to pursue this matter further but have finally lost the energy after 5 months of being on the phone and missing work as a result.
The UK will always lag behind in terms of internet connectivity. Virgin media are advertising those speeds to get new customers and are pretty much screwing some existing customers. This is also common with other ISP's. My wish is for everyone to have a cosistent, quality 10-50 mb service with all ISP's before we move onto 100mb which frankly is a joke when there are areas where 2mb is the maximum.
If you were to offer me a 100Mbps connection with a decent upload (10Mbps upwards, though symmetrical would be nice lol), at £70 a month with none of the silly "you have the fastest interwebz ever, but you can't use it between 12 noon and midnight pls" nonsense, I'd bite your arm off tbh.
£70 for fast broadband that actually works, and at a price that allows the ISP to run a decent network is a no brainer to me. I'd sign a contract on the spot. It seems I'm in the minority however.
It'd 'only' be £70 with 30-40% take up. That's not going to happen whilst, for most people, a £15 service does everything they want.
£70pm bundled with a subscription to a service like OnLive for unlimited games and on-demand Movies/TV could work though.
Onlive! Pass me the sick bucket.
With FTTH the main issue, latency, goes away. We're talking sub 5ms latency across the UK (Based on my personal experience of university connections). With fibre levels of bandwidth they can up the image resolution / bitrate too.
It sucks to play FPS on OnLive, even with 5ms latency. I can see a small crowd using it for third-person games, that's it.
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If you were to offer me a 100Mbps connection with a decent upload (10Mbps upwards, though symmetrical would be nice lol), at £70 a month with none of the silly "you have the fastest interwebz ever, but you can't use it between 12 noon and midnight pls" nonsense, I'd bite your arm off tbh.
£70 for fast broadband that actually works, and at a price that allows the ISP to run a decent network is a no brainer to me. I'd sign a contract on the spot. It seems I'm in the minority however.
There will always be some but it's not enough - 30-40% takeup means 1 in every 2 or 3 houses in the area you enable take your service. If you leave price out for a moment that means you either have to be very good or have no competition. Any area with Virgin won't get there for instance, too much competition with their box shifting mentality to get to that takeup figure.
And if you don't get that takeup prices start to shoot up, you might get one in every 6 houses (still optimistic in some ways), but then the price is doubling and very few will pay £120+ a month.
Because you and a couple of others want the service doesn't mean there's sufficient demand unfortunately. If there was...I'd be doing it...
I work for a small-scale ISP but offer true next-gen networks. We have installed fibre into a housing area in Chelsea and can offer true 100Mb Ethernet based services to residents for under £80/month, and yet our take up is barely 40%. Based on that, I can see why the big players don't / can't offer these projects.
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Difficult to say, I expect things will improve slowly, some market one exchanges will likely get taken up by other providers for LLU as kit costs go down and they reach a saturation point of more profitable exchanges it'll make more sense to enable others.
I suspect BT will also swap out DSLAMs for ADSL2+ or better gear as and when they get replaced, the lifespan of these units isn't turning out great, many of the initial installs have already been replaced and the turnover from failures will cause upgrades to happen.
There will also probably be a official push to increase minimum speeds on all exchanges within 5 years which might force some more upgrades. The implementation of 21CN for voice, which affects all sites, will also push this...
In 5 years, I imagine almost all of them will be on ADSL2+ at least, from BT mainly but a decent number with LLU, a select few will also have better than that but it won't be many.
Depending on the area 4G wireless may even provide better headline speeds.
Is 21CN still going? Seemed like BT sidelined it in their enthusiasm put in FTTC. My exchange used to have a switchover date but now there's no ETA.