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10GB vram enough for the 3080? Discuss..

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3080 with 10GB was not foolish, it allowed them to hit a decent price point which is why it is so damn popular.

What was maybe foolish is not also coming out with a 3080 with 20gb or 3080Ti with 12gb (slightly cut down 3090) on release also. Thing is we will be getting one of those soon anyway no doubt.

I agree no one knows what is coming regards to future games, can only take education guesses and make a choice that works for you personally. That is what I did.



They likely are in triple a games. At least on all the ones I am interested in playing anyway. I am sure Cyberpunk, Dying Light 2 and Bloodlines 2 will all work fine with 10gb on maximum textures. Those are the 3 games I am interested in by far and all seem to be working closely with Nvidia from what I can see.

But let’s not kid ourselves. As soon as their next gen stuff is out with hopper they won’t give a rats ass about ampere.

Nvidia using compression to cheap out on vram on a £750 card! Just add the god damm ram and stop making customers hate you even more would be my message. Look at Intel, They also pulled dirty tricks on thier customers and look what happened when they were actually caught. People like me who remember the forced socket changes now despise them as an anti consumer company and i am chuffed to bits they are in so much trouble. They are two years and two full nodes behind AMD. And i love it now i got MY chance to do to them what they did to me.

Nvidia's time will also come, Mark my words once AMD solidify the CPU lead they will start to focus on Nvidia and they will end up with legions of bitter gamers who will repay them in kind by swapping to AMD.
 
I would rather go for 10gb now and upgrade again next gen then pay a lot more and be stuck with a card multiple gens. I mean we all enjoy this hobby and you have to admit when a new gen of cards come along it is fun most of the time. Why not join in the fun each gen if you are able to :)

It also depends on where you were/are at. I didnt get a Turing or RDNA1 card, nearly did, but the Vega held up well. I would not be so eager to upgrade if I was already on a 5700XT/2070.

A 3080/6800 is definitely a decent bump from the vega.
 
Yeah a little, but none of us know how much time we've got left, and 4k gaming was just that good. Still is.

But that was two years ago, at no point did I think I was getting good value, and a lot has changed since then. Chiefly the amazing value next gen consoles. The gaming landscape has changed, hopefully Nvidia don't see themselves as too big to not change with it.
Don’t think they do. That is why we got a 3080 at the price we did. Competition.

Agreed. 4K is awesome. Been using it since 2014.


Nvidia using compression to cheap out on vram on a £750 card! Just add the god damm ram and stop making customers hate you even more would be my message. Look at Intel, They also pulled dirty tricks on thier customers and look what happened when they were actually caught. People like me who remember the forced socket changes now despise them as an anti consumer company and i am chuffed to bits they are in so much trouble. They are two years and two full nodes behind AMD. And i love it now i got MY chance to do to them what they did to me.

Nvidia's time will also come, Mark my words once AMD solidify the CPU lead they will start to focus on Nvidia and they will end up with legions of bitter gamers who will repay them in kind by swapping to AMD.

I agree. Would have much preferred if they stuck 20gb on my 3080 and hit the same price point. By the way, I got my FE for a lot less than £750 after selling the game codes :)

I hope you are right. I would love to see Nvidia end up with 20% market share for a good 5 years and watch the leather jacket lube hating man suffer a little like he has made us suffer with his pricing.


It also depends on where you were/are at. I didnt get a Turing or RDNA1 card, nearly did, but the Vega held up well. I would not be so eager to upgrade if I was already on a 5700XT/2070.

A 3080/6800 is definitely a decent bump from the vega.

True. I skipped those also. I just can’t see that happening now though, can you? Now we have competition. Nvidia will jump from a inferior process than AMD to 5nm and if Hopper is revolutionary like it sounds like than your 3090 might be slower than a 4070 :p
 
I would rather go for 10gb now and upgrade again next gen then pay a lot more and be stuck with a card multiple gens. I mean we all enjoy this hobby and you have to admit when a new gen of cards come along it is fun most of the time. Why not join in the fun each gen if you are able to :)

This! I wouldn't mind paying for the 3090 if I thought it would last past Hopper's release or even retain it's value.
 
True. I skipped those also. I just can’t see that happening now though, can you? Now we have competition. Nvidia will jump from a inferior process than AMD to 5nm and if Hopper is revolutionary like it sounds like than your 3090 might be slower than a 4070 :p

Its all well and good dreaming of nodes like hopper. Think about it, people are still trying to get hands on Ampere. It was announced in October. You also think Jensen wont put on his latex glove and not dry fist up then next gen adopters as well? Lisa Su may be gone by then but if she isnt she is also getting form for charging the going rate bringing talc with her! ;)

Even if hopper is as good as people fantasise about, you think the launch wont be any different? Its at least a year away. I plan on playing some 4k games till then. :)
 
This! I wouldn't mind paying for the 3090 if I thought it would last past Hopper's release or even retain it's value.
Yeah.


Its all well and good dreaming of nodes like hopper. Think about it, people are still trying to get hands on Ampere. It was announced in October.

Don't we all? Part of being an enthusiast :)

I have a 3080 in the meantime though :D

It is sad that both companies were not ready to launch with bigger numbers, but it just goes to show how far AMD have cached up and Nvidia were scarred enough to do it.


You also think Jensen wont put on his latex glove and not dry fist up then next gen adopters as well?
Well it worked on you :p

At least I have saved £750 by going 3080, that alone will pay for the 4080, not to mention the money I will get from selling my 3080 before the 4080 is released ;)


Even if hopper is as good as people fantasise about, you think the launch wont be any different? Its at least a year away. I plan on playing some 4k games till then. :)
Hopper will at least be good enough where 3090 performance will drop to 4080 tier. That is like the worst case scenario and even then the 4080 will have much better RT one would imagine. But my prediction is 3090 performance will be closer to a 4070 and that is a nothing special to expect is it? A dream would be something better than that.
 
Nvidia using compression to cheap out on vram on a £750 card! Just add the god damm ram and stop making customers hate you even more would be my message.

If they put more vRAM on the card it would no longer be £750, it would cost more. Can we please just stop with this really dumb argument that somehow Nvidia or AMD absorb these costs themselves, they DO NOT. If they release a card with more vRAM then it's the consumer that pays for that vRAM through higher card prices. If they put less on the card then the card sells for less, the saving is passed onto the customer. The reason you don't just "add god damn ram" willy nilly is because it makes the video card more expensive for the customer.

For anyone that is still genuinely struggling with this, here's a close analogy. Motherboards and system RAM. It's exactly the same thing. If you consistently only use say 8-10GB of system RAM at peak, when you build your computer you're probably going to put 16GB in there. You could put 32GB in there and you could put 64GB in there. But if you're not going to use it then why would you put yourself further out of pocket by buying RAM that you're not going to use. If I asked you how much system RAM you have and you say 16GB then obviously it would be stupid of me to say "well you're just being cheap" and "just add the god damn RAM"
 
If they put more vRAM on the card it would no longer be £750, it would cost more. Can we please just stop with this really dumb argument that somehow Nvidia or AMD absorb these costs themselves, they DO NOT. If they release a card with more vRAM then it's the consumer that pays for that vRAM through higher card prices. If they put less on the card then the card sells for less, the saving is passed onto the customer. The reason you don't just "add god damn ram" willy nilly is because it makes the video card more expensive for the customer.

For anyone that is still genuinely struggling with this, here's a close analogy. Motherboards and system RAM. It's exactly the same thing. If you consistently only use say 8-10GB of system RAM at peak, when you build your computer you're probably going to put 16GB in there. You could put 32GB in there and you could put 64GB in there. But if you're not going to use it then why would you put yourself further out of pocket by buying RAM that you're not going to use. If I asked you how much system RAM you have and you say 16GB then obviously it would be stupid of me to say "well you're just being cheap" and "just add the god damn RAM"

So have a second model with more ram then? Surely you realize they are using 10GB because they know 10GB will last exactly two years at most and they are using that to make people forceably upgrade. I want to keep textures and Anisotropic filtering at max and lower the other settings so at 4k the game textures are are sharp and shiny as they can be but i can keep my fps pretty high.


And how much does ram cost? How much would it really cost to give 12GB over 10GB? Really how can it add that much? Also just to be clear on my point, I ONLY upgrade when a product doubles my FPS what i do NOT want to be forced to upgrade for is a VRAM shortage in the latest games. I prefer to trade other settings for highest texture modes and another point i must add. Just wait until these 10GB card are hit by the high resolution texture packs in 2021 games the same way Fallout 4 and Shadow of War and Mordor were enhanced. GTAV Enhanced is coming too!
 
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So have a second model with more ram then? Surely you realize they are using 10GB because they know 10GB will last exactly two years at most and they are using that to make people forceably upgrade. I want to keep textures and Anisotropic filtering at max and lower the other settings so at 4k the game textures are are sharp and shiny as they can be but i can keep my fps pretty high.


And how much does ram cost? How much would ot really cost to give 12GB over 10GB? Really how can it add that much?
In 2 years the card won’t be powerful enough to run Max settings anyway.
 
In 2 years the card won’t be powerful enough to run Max settings anyway.

See my edited post, I run low with textures and AF 16 maxed and everything low. It will be powerful enough i can run games at 4k 200fps on my 2080ti with this method. They look fantastic, It trades stupid effects for enabling 4k with high texture packs.
 
See my edited post, I run low with textures and AF 16 maxed and everything low. It will be powerful enough i can run games at 4k 200fps on my 2080ti with this method. They look fantastic, It trades stupid effects for enabling 4k with high texture packs.

I don't even run a FPS counter, silly me :D:D:D
 
Yet Nvidia have it listed at £649. Who is forcing you to shop here?

Part down to rules not allowing you to share competitor links, part because people are in pre-order queues here and have been for a long time, part because FE cards are more difficult to snag due to low quantities. You think this is not an issue or something?

You can't just base your pricing on the lowest possible price, be realistic. All the AIB designs come out much higher even before scalping/gouging.
 
Part down to rules not allowing you to share competitor links, part because people are in pre-order queues here and have been for a long time, part because FE cards are more difficult to snag due to low quantities. You think this is not an issue or something?

You can't just base your pricing on the lowest possible price, be realistic. All the AIB designs come out much higher even before scalping/gouging.

Well the last time i looked, a certain auction site and a 6800xt at over £60,000.... I guess Nvidia wins :D
 
Well the last time i looked, a certain auction site and a 6800xt at over £60,000.... I guess Nvidia wins :D

When they were listed at the £599 price I tried so hard to get one.. even would have taken a 6800 but just wernt enough to go round. Will see what these AIB's list as - cant see them being same prices as that, happy to be wrong though! :)
 
So have a second model with more ram then? Surely you realize they are using 10GB because they know 10GB will last exactly two years at most and they are using that to make people forceably upgrade. I want to keep textures and Anisotropic filtering at max and lower the other settings so at 4k the game textures are are sharp and shiny as they can be but i can keep my fps pretty high.


And how much does ram cost? How much would it really cost to give 12GB over 10GB? Really how can it add that much? Also just to be clear on my point, I ONLY upgrade when a product doubles my FPS what i do NOT want to be forced to upgrade for is a VRAM shortage in the latest games. I prefer to trade other settings for highest texture modes and another point i must add. Just wait until these 10GB card are hit by the high resolution texture packs in 2021 games the same way Fallout 4 and Shadow of War and Mordor were enhanced. GTAV Enhanced is coming too!

It's not like Nvidia havn't done this in the past. For various technical reasons you're limited to the the vRAM configs you can have on a card and we've seen in the past cards which ideally need about 4GB can either pick 3GB or 6GB and in those circumstances Nvidia bit the bullet and just release 2 variants, the smaller vRAM size which obviously has a bottleneck, and then a 6GB variant that doesn't but is more expensive. But such situations are rare, normally the architecture is planned ahead to not end up in those kind of bad situations.

That said it's not a foregone conclusion that the 3080 will need more RAM. This entire thread has been about arguing for and against that case. There's at least some evidence which shows that 10Gb might be enough and that is games that are out now which already have GPU bottlenecks, the GPU itself becomes overloaded before the vRAM runs out. We see that with FS2020, Avengers, Watch Dogs Legion, and even the new CoD if you ignore DLSS and want to run that game in 4k native with RT effects you're going to find yourself at about 20FPS on the 6800XT or about 45FPS on the 3080 but not exceeding your vRAM budget.

The problem with vRAM is that you cannot just add however much you like, it seems intuitive that you simply put 12x1Gb modules on the card if you want 12Gb of vRAM but you can't do that. The architecture of the card splits a certain memory bus width between a bunch of different memory modules and for complicated reasons restricts you to certain multiples of certain vRAM sizes. So like with the example earlier of older Nvidia cards there was only really 2 sensible options 3GB or 6GB, if what is ideal is say 4GB then you're kinda stuffed you either go too little and cheap, or too much and expensive. In that case they offdered both and let the user pick and the cards had distinctly different prices.

For GDDR6 which the AMD cards use it's about $11.69 per each 1GB modules, so 16GB of that is 187.04, and that's just the raw cost to the AIBs they of course need to make their 40% profit margin (or whatever their real margin is) so it's really going to be marked up to something like $261. And that's only the 14Gbps memory, the AMD cards use slightly faster memory which is probably more expensive again, but hard to get accurate cost on. And then of course Nvidia use GDDR6x which so far we don't have good numbers on, because Nvidia sell it themselves and they only sell GPU+memory bundles to the AIBs so the real cost is not known, but we do know that it's harder to manufacture and more expensive. Let's just pick $15 out of the air as a per 1Gb module cost, that's probably in the ballpark of what it costs, a 20GB variant of the 3080 would be 10GB more and so 10*$15 plus the AIB markup which is something like $210 additional cost.

Bottom line is that vRAM is a very specialist type of RAM, it's faster than system RAM and is expensive to produce, you don't want to put anymore vRAM on your card than you absolutely need because you drive up the cost of the card significantly and it's the consumers ultimately that pay for it.
 
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