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10GB vram enough for the 3080? Discuss..

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Yeah I've seen a benchmark of a 2080ti of 8x vs 16x PCIe 3.0 and it only just saturates 8x. Seems like there's no reason to rush to PCIe 4.0 in the near future, even allowing for storage access on top
 
Let's see - it's all about when! Next gen starts when AAA games that are not cross-gen that take decent advantage of the new console hardware come along. Not in 6 weeks - it's a pretty weak launch line up for both consoles.

If those 2080Ti tests truly maxed the bandwidth of it then it's a valid statement on PCIe 4.0, but it's not clear if they did. Trying to stay at the right point of the price/perf. curve and not pay a premium for tech that's not being fully utilised is an art. Hence 27 pages on this thread topic... It's the reason PC gaming is so inaccessible to most.

The answer is clear - if £649 is your budget then 10GB is enough for now but be prepared to possibly sell/upgrade in a year or two if the RAM requirements inflate across the board and you want to max settings still. Nothing new there. Depending on how this storage tech goes down they might not inflate, but it's prob likely they will - that's certainly been the trend for decades after all. Otherwise don't sell and drop a setting or two.

No way is Nvidia releasing a version with more VRAM a month later (October). They wouldn't recover from that.
 
UEX said:
The purpose of vram is at its core to make up for slow IO access.
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Err, no, it's not purely a cache in the same was that system RAM isn't purely a cache for the files on your disk.

It's also your working area. And that's actually where more speed is most useful. When you're reading + operating on the data in the fast memory.

When you're shifting data into the fast memory the speed you can do that is governed by whatever the speed of the (slower) medium is you are transferring from.

You can only stream at the rate your slower medium allows you to stream at.
 
foot said:
Let's see - it's all about when! Next gen starts when AAA games that are not cross-gen that take decent advantage of the new console hardware come along. Not in 6 weeks - it's a pretty weak launch line up for both consoles.

If those 2080Ti tests truly maxed the bandwidth of it then it's a valid statement on PCIe 4.0, but it's not clear if they did. Trying to stay at the right point of the price/perf. curve and not pay a premium for tech that's not being fully utilised is an art. Hence 27 pages on this thread topic... It's the reason PC gaming is so inaccessible to most.

The answer is clear - if £649 is your budget then 10GB is enough for now but be prepared to possibly sell/upgrade in a year or two if the RAM requirements inflate across the board and you want to max settings still. Nothing new there. Depending on how this storage tech goes down they might not inflate, but it's prob likely they will - that's certainly been the trend for decades after all. Otherwise don't sell and drop a setting or two.

No way is Nvidia releasing a version with more VRAM a month later (October). They wouldn't recover from that.
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The achilles heel of this fantasy is that you believe/imply that there is absolutely no changes in game engines even though developers cater to consoles 1st! And the Unreal Engine 5 tech demo, which is one of if not the most popular gaming ending used. Is simply a one off...What you are implying is gaming developers place priority for PC 1st then consoles 2nd. Therefore, bandwidth and 10GB of vram is more then ample for "todays" games. Because todays games will always be tomorrow's games.

So it's clear, if you believe that then paying for a new video card now when you are not absolutely sure that your position, is a solid one. Which makes for a contradiction and buyer's remorse in the very near future.

Because no way Nvidia would release a version of more VRAM a month later. Even though improved versions of the same sku were released by them. IE: the 1070 to 1070ti. The 2060 to 2060s, the 2070 to 2070s and 2080 to 2080s. They would certainly not pull a 3070 to 3070ti (or whatever they decide to call it). Because....they wouldn't recover from that. Just ignore that Nvidia did that and don't take it so seriously.

:D
 
EastCoastHandle said:
The achilles heel of this fantasy is that you believe/imply that there is absolutely no changes in game engines even though developers cater to consoles 1st! And the Unreal Engine 5 tech demo, which is one of if not the most popular gaming ending used. Is simply a one off...What you are implying is gaming developers place priority for PC 1st then consoles 2nd. Therefore, bandwidth and 10GB of vram is more then ample for "todays" games. Because todays games will always be tomorrow's games.

So it's clear, if you believe that then paying for a new video card now when you are not absolutely sure that your position, is a solid one. Which makes for a contradiction and buyer's remorse in the very near future.

Because no way Nvidia would release a version of more VRAM a month later. Even though improved versions of the same sku were released by them. IE: the 1070 to 1070ti. The 2060 to 2060s, the 2070 to 2070s and 2080 to 2080s. They would certainly not pull a 3070 to 3070ti (or whatever they decide to call it). Because....they wouldn't recover from that. Just ignore that Nvidia did that and don't take it so seriously.

:D
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They did that 9 - 12 months after release.
 
It all depends on what AMD do.

Should AMD release cards which make the current 3000 series line-up look poor, nVidia won't sit there and say, "We can't do anything about this for 9-12 months."
 
EastCoastHandle said:
The achilles heel of this fantasy is that you believe/imply that there is absolutely no changes in game engines even though developers cater to consoles 1st! And the Unreal Engine 5 tech demo, which is one of if not the most popular gaming ending used. Is simply a one off...What you are implying is gaming developers place priority for PC 1st then consoles 2nd. Therefore, bandwidth and 10GB of vram is more then ample for "todays" games. Because todays games will always be tomorrow's games.

So it's clear, if you believe that then paying for a new video card now when you are not absolutely sure that your position, is a solid one. Which makes for a contradiction and buyer's remorse in the very near future.

Because no way Nvidia would release a version of more VRAM a month later. Even though improved versions of the same sku were released by them. IE: the 1070 to 1070ti. The 2060 to 2060s, the 2070 to 2070s and 2080 to 2080s. They would certainly not pull a 3070 to 3070ti (or whatever they decide to call it). Because....they wouldn't recover from that. Just ignore that Nvidia did that and don't take it so seriously.

:D
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Now now, no need to get all uppity and you completely misread things. I'm not implying that at all - don't know how you read it that way. I've referred decades of experience in watching tech develop, and mentioned consoles leading the course so you saying all that is strange. Of course things are going to change as I actually said. :rolleyes:

10 GB is fine for now - as long as you're prepared to upgrade in a year or two to still max everything (obviously res/FPS targets will affect). You can derp at people all you like but Nvidia releasing an update a single month later?! They will be crucified.

Something I think we can all agree on is that waiting for AMDs response makes the most sense.
 
foot said:
Now now, no need to get all uppity and you completely misread things. I'm not implying that at all - don't know how you read it that way. I've referred decades of experience in watching tech develop, and mentioned consoles leading the course so you saying all that is strange. Of course things are going to change as I actually said. :rolleyes:

10 GB is fine for now - as long as you're prepared to upgrade in a year or two to still max everything (obviously res/FPS targets will affect). You can derp at people all you like but Nvidia releasing an update a single month later?! They will be crucified.

Something I think we can all agree on is that waiting for AMDs response makes the most sense.
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I see, I see. This is what I came across a while back. Those cross platform games that come to PC would have reduced fidelity vs it's console counterpart, in a nutshell if a developer doesn't take the extra effort in the port. For example, I will keep a close eye on is BlackOps: Cold War when it's intro'd to PS5/XsX which has it's own development. It's already going to have RT like MW2019 did. I never came across anyone who actually used it though. But want to see for myself if this difference in IQ/immersion/smoothness can be noticed that soon.

Also, BO:CW will have 10 different versions. And Activision won't allow you to carry your copy from this gen to next gen either.

Currently, there are ten versions of Call of Duty: Black Ops Cold War — and you’re actually going to have to pay extra for the higher frame rate and faster load times that PS5 and Xbox Series X can offer. Unlike PS4 Pro and Xbox One X, you can’t just wait for a free patch. Next-gen console upgrades will be locked behind a paywall.
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https://www.theverge.com/2020/8/27/...-ops-cold-war-next-gen-price-playstation-xbox

LOL, they are charging $70 for PS5/XsX version because it's going to be more optimized for next gen. Activision being activision...

I honestly don't think we will have a year to wait for RT in consoles, etc. Another thing that has me concerned is the audio improvements. That support a form of audio ray tracing. When competing in cross platform games like BO that puts us at a complete disadvantage unless there is some sort of add in card we could be to compensate.

Another thing I wanted to point out is that these developers have had test kits for several months now. In a year or so they might have optimized their games for it but it certainly won't be just implemented.

My issue with your post was that you sad 10GB is fine for now. A card that hasn't been released yet to buy. We really don't have all the details yet to know if it's just fine. For example how well it does in FS2020/Horizon Dawn Zero, etc. So, I wouldn't recommend it right off the bat like that. And it actually might be replaced if RDNA 2 actually beats it. Which is the rumor right now.

But yeah, I understand what you are saying in hindsight. I'm still not sure what version to get for BO:CW yet either. :p

But looking at what you said I could either do:
-Get the 3080 (for what $649) knowing in my heart it's a bad move because 10GB isn't enough. Then pay $60 for BO:CW
-Get console for $499 (if that turns out to be true as the lite version is on $299) or so (not sure which yet). Get BO:CW for $70 and pocket the rest for something else. Probablly a active power USB HUB for my mouse and keyboard as I switch between console/PC.
 
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This will only be a problem for nv if navi is faster AND has more ram. Radeon 7 had a bunch of ram but this did not force nvidia to release another sku with equivalent ram.

Ultimately people would rather buy the card which is faster even if it is somewhat short-lived by vram. 2060 3gb anyone?
 
Freddie1980 said:
The memory bus on the 3080 is 320 bit isn't it? 320 is divisible by 16 so it should work?
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320 / 10(gb) = 32
320 / 20(gb) = 16

320 / 16(gb) = 20 << not a multiple of 16

Micron are only doing 1GB chips at present, for something close to 16GB on a 3080 you would need 768mb chips and then you would end up with 15.3GB
 
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It all depends on what AMD do.

Should AMD release cards which make the current 3000 series line-up look poor, nVidia won't sit there and say, "We can't do anything about this for 9-12 months."
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No I agree with you they will either cut the price of existing line up already out (this has been done before and cued much moaning from early purchases) or they will say "tadaaaaa" here is the 3080 Super Amped Up Edition with 16gb and tonk all over AMD. I hope not but I bet they have the bases covered on this one. They seem to be pushing for all out killer blow.
 
varkanoid said:
No I agree with you they will either cut the price of existing line up already out (this has been done before and cued much moaning from early purchases) or they will say "tadaaaaa" here is the 3080 Super Amped Up Edition with 16gb and tonk all over AMD. I hope not but I bet they have the bases covered on this one. They seem to be pushing for all out killer blow.
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they can't do a 16GB 3080, it'll be 20GB if still on a 320bit bus or 22GB if they unlock an extra set of cores and go to 352bit
 
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