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10GB vram enough for the 3080? Discuss..

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g67575 said:
Evidently, 10gb VRAM was enough for most... The end
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Exactly.

Good thing is he now admits he has the same opinion as me, so we have made progress at least :D

We can move on for now, I am sure we will be back at it again when the next triple a AMD sponsored title is released :p:D;)
 
LtMatt said:
Posted June 2021. :cry:
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Yes, I have been saying that from the start though, yet we seem to go in circles with you and your tribe for some reason? Glad that you now finally agree.

Just in case you forgot I will remind you, I said it will be fine in all but a handful of titles until next gen cards are out.

Turns out that was even being generous as you need to be on 4K (hardly anyone is based on a source you like to use) and on top of that you need to not only have the optional textures enabled, but you need to have every single slider on maximum (like as if everyone does that or it is mandatory) to even get the issue. Erm.. Lol? :cry:
 
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Well this is at least a step in the right direction Woodsta. At least this post actually contains something to debate rather than your usual posting style of nothing but insults at digs.

You throwing shade is not observational evidence, since you know nothing about me clearly. All you do is make false claims and throw insults questioning my character and motives etc.

So I decided to give you some of your own medicine, since I am not here representing AMD I'm just a regular user as I was before 2014. I asked for my name to be changed back to LtMatt because it gave the impression I was here repping AMD as a community manager on OcuK when that is not the case since May 2015. That's right, I left that position almost 7 years ago. But you wouldn't think that reading every single post you make about me here. This is the only time I'll talk about this here because it's no one else business but mine, however I just need to correct the false stuff you keep posting about me.

Happy to have a chat with you on mic 1-1 on Discord if you want to sort this out? Maybe you will be less confrontational there than on a forum.

Now to get to your actual points. I have no problem with you disagreeing with me, linked articles etc. Nor do I care if you believe Nexus is right and everyone else is wrong. But your posts are largely framed around insulting me. I can give you a dozen examples just by searching your name if needed. If you took out the insult part, there wouldn't be much left but we could at least debate something. A forum is place to talk and debate such things, is it not? If someone is only allowed to post/talk about something they own, this forum would be quite boring. I can understand if I
was posting this stuff in the 3080 owners thread and being off topic. That's not the case though, I've not made one post there. Remember when you jumped into the 6900 XT owners thread to insult me? I remember that and don't recall you owning a 6900 XT.

Regarding the techpress, the problem was very few of them used maximum settings with the HD texture pack. They either ran with HD Textures on, or HUB for example ran HD Textures on and only used the high preset and not Ultra. This issue was always 4K max settings. That was what the results from techpress I shared actually used. Also, these sites typically do 30 second benchmark runs, so it's not always representative of what a gamer might see if you play for longer periods of time. The two German sites that showed the issue (pcgameshardwarae and computerbase) ran longer testing sequences (still not long enough IMO ) and most importantly, they used true maximum settings. They both reported FPS drops to single digits as the GPU ran out of video memory. They reported the same on every GPU with less than 12GB too.

I have tried to get a 3080FE for a long time, but they are near impossible to get at RRP. I managed to get a 3090 at RRP so I settled on that. Not ideal and I'd have preferred a 3080 to test it myself, but this is all I was able to get. This is why I was keen to seek out other 3080 owners running Far Cry 6 at 4K max settings to see if the issue was reproducible. It was, three different users validated the tech press findings when using 4K max settings. I think that's sufficient evidence of one example where 10GB is not enough in FC6. I say this while still agreeing with your points about just lowering settings to get an optimal experience. However, if you do that then you won't see the single FPS drops that has long been debated. I hope that is clear now.

I've said this before in this thread, but it does not take anything away from a good GPU that is competitively priced. It's just one example and as I have said multiple times in most things it will be fine and will run out of grunt before VRAM. I don't see what is so controversial to admit that. If everyone admitted that, the thread would have only been a dozen pages long.

Yes OLED is better, nothing surprising about that. The extra zones improve quality, that does not mean the other solution is terrible, HDR 1000 even on an ultrawide was still a big improvement from non HDR display I had used previously. Now, let's be honest about this, you only took so much offence to that because I shared a video from HUB who polled their viewers to say which is more important to you, HDR or RT and HDR won comfortably.
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If you say so mate, but one of your best mates who you rely on does exactly the same. So I don't know ho you can pick on one person when someone in your camp does exactly the same but much more frequently. And they've been called out numerous times for adding nothing.

I see it one way, you see it the other. Whilst you have changed jobs you still work for AMD - it wouldnt matter if you still had AMD in front of your name as I see you are still VERY helpful to AMD owners.

I don't think everyone else is wrong and only Nexus is correct, but he does own one. Your disposition to always be correct is very strong - but understandable with any club that the amount of time put in entitles those to have a greater say.

Your re-framing ability is legendary.

Enough now, we'll agree to disagree.
 
Woodsta888 said:
If you say so mate, but one of your best mates who you rely on does exactly the same. So I don't know ho you can pick on one person when someone in your camp does exactly the same but much more frequently. And they've been called out numerous times for adding nothing.

I see it one way, you see it the other. Whilst you have changed jobs you still work for AMD - it wouldnt matter if you still had AMD in front of your name as I see you are still VERY helpful to AMD owners.

I don't think everyone else is wrong and only Nexus is correct, but he does own one. Your disposition to always be correct is very strong - but understandable with any club that the amount of time put in entitles those to have a greater say.

Your re-framing ability is legendary.

Enough now, we'll agree to disagree.
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I'm not picking on anyone. I only mentioned Nexus as you did in your post. Ultimately I'm only interested in the results not who said what or who did this or that.

I'm helpful towards AMD owners as I've got a lot of experience using those products from doing that job, that's all there is to it. I always enjoyed doing that here, If you look at my posts pre 2014 you'll see exactly the same as now. Nothing has changed, only opinions.

We can definitely agree on that, although I'm not really sure what your point is now (for us to disagree on) as the techpress findings I posted (which you thought were false) have now been validated by 3080 owners as correct.

Happy to leave it there.

g67575 said:
This has now just become 'I want to have an argument about some numbers' thread.
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I know, I'll stop responding to TNA now.
 
TNA said:
Yes, I have been saying that from the start though, yet we seem to go in circles with you and your tribe for some reason? Glad that you now finally agree.

Just in case you forgot I will remind you, I said it will be fine in all but a handful of titles until next gen cards are out.

Turns out that was even being generous as you need to be on 4K (hardly anyone is based on a source you like to use) and on top of that you need to not only have the optional textures enabled, but you need to have every single slider on maximum (like as if everyone does that or it is mandatory) to even get the issue. Erm.. Lol? :cry:
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Just to add again, all hunky dory here :D :p :cry:

But don't forget, you also need to not be using FSR too, even though a 6800xt achieves the same FPS as my 3080 when not using FSR as well i.e. 45-60fps


:D

PS.

Not sure why still comparing HDR and RT? Again, they are 2 completely different things..... :o If people think they achieve the same thing then oh lordy :cry:
 
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pete910 said:
You've just described OCUK in general in that statement :D
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Results man...or rather, result.

One finding, means a global 'techpress' finding appearently. All reviews must've found the same?

Can't argue with someone who is unable to understand that one result, from all the other results, is an anomaly.

A result identifys, under a certain set or circumstances/ parameters, that there is an error. EVERY scientific experiment, requires a statistical analysis of RESULTS. You apply statistical analysis to find out if it is common across the results.

Just one result - which seems to be that some, with no scientific background or thought, use an the argument to answer the thread. Must be a salesman.
 
Well i tried something, and it effectively makes the 3080 equivalent to a 12 gig GPU.

Usually like most people I run Windows just on the discrete GPU, and iGPU disabled. But since windows now days can routinely use multiple gigs of VRAM (most apps are gpu accelerated now), then using an iGPU for the OS can free up noticable amounts of VRAM at the expense of system RAM.

After I loaded up FF7 Remake, and gave it an extra 1500M texture limit, I can play through chapter 12 without the low quality textures getting stuck. I only did that test so not tested if it still stutters in the bad areas, but its food for thought for maximising GPU VRAM usage.
 
chrcoluk said:
Well i tried something, and it effectively makes the 3080 equivalent to a 12 gig GPU.

Usually like most people I run Windows just on the discrete GPU, and iGPU disabled. But since windows now days can routinely use multiple gigs of VRAM (most apps are gpu accelerated now), then using an iGPU for the OS can free up noticable amounts of VRAM at the expense of system RAM.

After I loaded up FF7 Remake, and gave it an extra 1500M texture limit, I can play through chapter 12 without the low quality textures getting stuck. I only did that test so not tested if it still stutters in the bad areas, but its food for thought for maximising GPU VRAM usage.
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What do you have running in the background to use that sort of VRAM? I'm using two instances of firefox one streaming a film, the other browsing and im using 700mb of VRAM. If i shut down the second firefox windows it drops to 500mb shut them both down and im on ~350mb.
 
Finners said:
What do you have running in the background to use that sort of VRAM? I'm using two instances of firefox one streaming a film, the other browsing and im using 700mb of VRAM. If i shut down the second firefox windows it drops to 500mb shut them both down and im on ~350mb.
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I never have anything running in the background when launching a game and only have one item in the taskbar apart from Windows Security and that uses up all of 5.9MB of ram. Could be why some run out of vram and others don't in certain scenarios.

Right now it says I am using 300mb vram and that's with the browser open.
 
Finners said:
What do you have running in the background to use that sort of VRAM? I'm using two instances of firefox one streaming a film, the other browsing and im using 700mb of VRAM. If i shut down the second firefox windows it drops to 500mb shut them both down and im on ~350mb.
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Well I just discovered telegram uses 100meg, disabling angle graphics backend on it recovers that 100meg.

Otherwise its MS office, and web browsers, plus WFC thats left over.

Discord also usually uses GPU and VRAM, but I turned that off a while ago. Although recently discord has become sluggish without GPU acceleration now, they have changed something to slow software graphics down on it.

I dont think I have ever seen vram usage as low as 300meg, even just booting up windows its on about half a gig with a minute uptime, also I dont reboot or do a full shutdown very often, my average session uptime is 30 days, so there may be some resource leakage in there.
 
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