10GB vram enough for the 3080? Discuss..

Poneros · 13 Sep 2020 at 11:22

UEX said:
Not really because the mass market drives implementation. Very few developers prioritise those at the high end as the are of marginal value in overall sales.

You seem to have missed the point. What I'm saying is those players with above stated configs are primarily esports/casual players who would not venture to buy newfangled games with advanced tech, it's akin to counting Farmville players. The mass market for AAA gaming is not on PC it's on consoles.

m4rmite · 13 Sep 2020 at 11:24

Poneros said:
What people don't understand about Steam survey is that they're not a representative market for the new GPU tech (nor the display market). People who are gaming on laptops' integrated graphics, using old polaris/pascal cards, etc. both don't care about new GPUs because they are out of their budget AND irrelevant to their games (dota 2, path of exile, cs:go, etc.) since they have more than enough, and likewise for vram.

So it's erroneous thinking to look at Steam's total market and produce conclusions with respect to advanced GPU tech based on that.

Are there any other surveys that we can look at?
And i know most users will be kids on their parents pcs whatever the spec.
Is there a console survey that gathers the display max resolution.
As that will show the most 4k users even if the console can't push it.

UEX · 13 Sep 2020 at 11:42

Poneros said:
You seem to have missed the point. What I'm saying is those players with above stated configs are primarily esports/casual players who would not venture to buy newfangled games with advanced tech, it's akin to counting Farmville players. The mass market for AAA gaming is not on PC it's on consoles.

Fair point I hadn't really read through it. I think consoles will be the main driver of 4k since vastly more tvs are 4k than pc screens. And vastly more consoles are used on tvs than pcs aswell

Poneros · 13 Sep 2020 at 13:52

m4rmite said:
Are there any other surveys that we can look at?
And i know most users will be kids on their parents pcs whatever the spec.
Is there a console survey that gathers the display max resolution.
As that will show the most 4k users even if the console can't push it.

Sadly we don't have access to relevant data like that, only platform holders really know.

Closest thing to useful is TV market becoming >50% 4K in '19.

UEX · 13 Sep 2020 at 13:57

Poneros said:
Sadly we don't have access to relevant data like that, only platform holders really know.

Closest thing to useful is TV market becoming >50% 4K in '19.

harder question to ask tho is how many people care if playing at 1080 on a 4k screen. i mean in TV land every TV on shelves is 4k now, but "most" people have no idea what res is being pumped in, what is being upscaled, what native res is. My folks have had a 65" 4k forever and they dont even watch the HD freeview channels, i put on HD streams and blu ray and they dont seem to notice any diff.

Dont know how relevant this is to the line of conversation but just pointing this out

james.miller · 13 Sep 2020 at 14:10

UEX said:
harder question to ask tho is how many people care if playing at 1080 on a 4k screen. i mean in TV land every TV on shelves is 4k now, but "most" people have no idea what res is being pumped in, what is being upscaled, what native res is. My folks have had a 65" 4k forever and they dont even watch the HD freeview channels, i put on HD streams and blu ray and they dont seem to notice any diff.

Dont know how relevant this is to the line of conversation but just pointing this out

It's very relevant, otherwise folks might run with the 'has 4k screen therefor must want to game at 4k' narrative.

ubersonic · 13 Sep 2020 at 14:46

Stu said:
Are they actual numbers?

Yup, from the Steam hardware survey, not completely accurate but the most accurate data available.

EastCoastHandle · 13 Sep 2020 at 16:07

It's like watch satellite aerial as it zooms in closer to the earth's surface. You see the popularity of the 3080 is liken a storm in a tea cup drifting in the vast oceans of the gaming market.

It's a sight to behold as you become puzzled...asking yourself...why?? As you notice 2 other tea cups adrift with Nvidia's logo on it..lol

4k4uNuNu · 13 Sep 2020 at 16:19

ubersonic said:
Yup, from the Steam hardware survey, not completely accurate but the most accurate data available.

In recent years, Steam has been the home for the budget conscious gamer. To be fair, there are quite a few great titles that don't require demanding machines. There are also a lot of asset flips and live service garbage, but hey-ho, Valve likes it as it earns profits and doesn't need to make games with "three" in the title.

But it's more evidence that the PC master race is falling behind the consoles in terms of leading the way, technologically speaking. Console peasants can soon pay under £500 for a 4k60 experience, where as PC users are expected to pay £650+ and hope the port of the game is well optimised.

JohnG7 · 13 Sep 2020 at 16:31

I doubt those game are really all 4k@60FPS esp if all bells and whistles, it will be up-scaled/tiled crap.

Jimmy Weirdarms · 13 Sep 2020 at 16:37

4k4uNuNu said:
Console peasants can soon pay under £500 for a 4k60 experience, where as PC users are expected to pay £650+ and hope the port of the game is well optimised.

Console peasants are going to be playing at 4k30, they aren't going to sustain 4k60 with RT effects any time soon.

Jono8 · 13 Sep 2020 at 16:55

Jimmy Weirdarms said:
Console peasants are going to be playing at 4k30, they aren't going to sustain 4k60 with RT effects any time soon.

Neither is a 3080 to be honest.

As we are at a new console launch, the series x will likely play games just as well as a 3080 due to console optimisations/low overheads etc.

Obviously as the years go by the console gpus will be eclipsed, but the experience is going to be pretty similar for the next year or so.

aoaaron · 13 Sep 2020 at 18:21

Jono8 said:
Neither is a 3080 to be honest.

As we are at a new console launch, the series x will likely play games just as well as a 3080 due to console optimisations/low overheads etc.

Obviously as the years go by the console gpus will be eclipsed, but the experience is going to be pretty similar for the next year or so.

Really? Which games up until now can an RTX 3080 not 4k/60fps with DLSS/RTX when available on?

I can't think of any.

I think the 3080 will do fine for the next 12-24 months. If the 3080 can power Cyberpunk at ultra with RTX on and DLSS, then its a huge win because historically CD project flagship games set relative benchmarks for a couple of years after its release.

Consoles are going to be chugging from the first day with 4k/30. Its just how it is. The good thing hopefully is that developers are pushed to have a performance mode. I'm still perplexed how consoles factor into this conversation as they're at a completely different price point and for their convienance and use case, offer a high set of value and ease a PC doesn't offer.

Terixko · 13 Sep 2020 at 18:54

Jono8 said:
Neither is a 3080 to be honest.

As we are at a new console launch, the series x will likely play games just as well as a 3080 due to console optimisations/low overheads etc.

Obviously as the years go by the console gpus will be eclipsed, but the experience is going to be pretty similar for the next year or so.

I don't agree. Microsoft have worked hard to reduce overhead and optimisations with directx 12 ultimate, remember, microsoft doesn't care that you play on series s , series x or pc, they want you to play on their ecosystem.. The only advantage console will have for the next few years is IO ssd bandwidth. Nvidia have RTX IO and i'm pretty sure Amd will have something similar, especially that Rdna 2 is in the ps5 and xbox s/x

Poneros · 13 Sep 2020 at 19:29

4k4uNuNu said:
In recent years, Steam has been the home for the budget conscious gamer. To be fair, there are quite a few great titles that don't require demanding machines. There are also a lot of asset flips and live service garbage, but hey-ho, Valve likes it as it earns profits and doesn't need to make games with "three" in the title.

But it's more evidence that the PC master race is falling behind the consoles in terms of leading the way, technologically speaking. Console peasants can soon pay under £500 for a 4k60 experience, where as PC users are expected to pay £650+ and hope the port of the game is well optimised.

LOL!

They'll be lucky to get RT at 540p, and in fact that's what they're doing for PS5 in GT.

Jono8 · 13 Sep 2020 at 19:57

Terixko said:
I don't agree. Microsoft have worked hard to reduce overhead and optimisations with directx 12 ultimate, remember, microsoft doesn't care that you play on series s , series x or pc, they want you to play on their ecosystem.. The only advantage console will have for the next few years is IO ssd bandwidth. Nvidia have RTX IO and i'm pretty sure Amd will have something similar, especially that Rdna 2 is in the ps5 and xbox s/x

Not so sure. I mean the 2080ti struggles with ray tracing on at 4k in current gen games.

Whilst the 3080 will no doubt be faster and be better at ray tracing, it would have to be a LOT faster to be able to happily do 4k 60fps with ray tracing on in the newest/next gen titles.

Poneros · 15 Sep 2020 at 18:44

Oh hey, what have we here..

pBay · 15 Sep 2020 at 18:48

Poneros said:
Oh hey, what have we here..

Those vram amounts just seem to correlate to the cards standard amount that is recommended in the GPU line?

aoaaron · 15 Sep 2020 at 19:23

pBay said:
Those vram amounts just seem to correlate to the cards standard amount that is recommended in the GPU line?

Please stop using common sense.

We need 93839849489GB of VRAM!!1111!!!111!! one!!!

Chuk_Chuk · 15 Sep 2020 at 19:32

pBay said:
Those vram amounts just seem to correlate to the cards standard amount that is recommended in the GPU line?

GTX 960 had a 2GB and 4GB version
GTX 1060 had a 3GB and 6GB version