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1366 X58 Xeon 5650

pokerking said:
Brilliant thank you! Hoping to build a budget gaming rig, only need it for gtav and civ 5/6 but will be using a 4k uhd display. Have a 980ti so trying to build around this. Will it handle 4k ok?
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GTA V is quite CPU heavy, you might find bottle-necking, 4k will thrash the GPU pretty hard, I'm not sure what FPS you're going for but I game at 1440P on 980ti's in SLI on a 165hz panel and I experience drops in frames and stutters from time to time with GTA V specifically and I overclock my 980ti's to 1417mhz as they're under water. It'll handle 4k OK probably but I'd be surprised if you get 60fps. I'd probably suggest a better platform and with a 1080ti for a better experience. I'm moving to a new rig based on i9-7900x now personally.
 
Harpss1ngh said:
GTA V is quite CPU heavy, you might find bottle-necking, 4k will thrash the GPU pretty hard, I'm not sure what FPS you're going for but I game at 1440P on 980ti's in SLI on a 165hz panel and I experience drops in frames and stutters from time to time with GTA V specifically and I overclock my 980ti's to 1417mhz as they're under water. It'll handle 4k OK probably but I'd be surprised if you get 60fps. I'd probably suggest a better platform and with a 1080ti for a better experience. I'm moving to a new rig based on i9-7900x now personally.
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Ahh not good news :( The thing is I have an Xbox One S & PS4 Pro but massively miss CIV and my GTA V account, something like level 300 with a ton of money, never played it on the console. Had an Alien with a GTX960M and I used this on a 1080p panel. It is no good for 4k so sold it and got a 980ti with the idea of having something that will play the mentioned games at 60fps.

Would you say a better CPU would be required? Dont really want to by another GPU second hand 1080s are going for a lot!
 
pokerking said:
Ahh not good news :( The thing is I have an Xbox One S & PS4 Pro but massively miss CIV and my GTA V account, something like level 300 with a ton of money, never played it on the console. Had an Alien with a GTX960M and I used this on a 1080p panel. It is no good for 4k so sold it and got a 980ti with the idea of having something that will play the mentioned games at 60fps.

Would you say a better CPU would be required? Dont really want to by another GPU second hand 1080s are going for a lot!
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For GTA V running 4k, you want a beefy GPU. The 1080ti is the best for 4K, it was built for it. From video's on youtube I've seen FPS around the 50's with a single 980ti but it was with a 5960x or similar which is a powerful cpu. I get ~100fps+ with 980ti SLI and with my overclock on my x5690 but then again I play at 1440p. 4k is twice the resolution. SLI Scaling is a bit naff so I'm not sure if I'd recommend SLI for 4k! Have a look on youtube. Have you got a friend with a decent machine you can borrow to drop your 980ti in and see how it runs? I'd test it first.
 
Harpss1ngh said:
You got yourself a bargain with that x5550, I'd keep that depending on how far it goes.

With the p6x58d-e you can safely crank the voltages, on the voltage menu the voltages are highlighted in colours that indicate if it's safe or not, they go from Blue, yellow, pink and red from what I remember, you can crank the vcore all the way to the last voltage number highlighted pink safely, I usually hit the first red one. Do the same for QPI.

Anyway, have a play and let me know what settings you have, i'll send you a copy of mine. And make sure that board has the latest firmware.

A 1060? What games and what resolution do you play? I'd go for a 1070 or 1070ti at least. Or a last gen 980 or 980ti as they're great performance GPU's for a good price on the used market compared to a 1060 and will beat a 1060 or 1070 easy. You'd have to go with a 750w or 850w cpu I think, try a PSU calculator. Also definitely get an SSD to get the most out of this set up.
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Yeah, it's close to 1 pound per core + thread. :D

Thanks for the tips. I will report back once I am confident that I can OC safely.

I have a 1080p 60hz monitor so I think a GTX 1060 6GB will be best suited. A monitor upgrade is looking unlikely since I have a console background and this already will be a big jump in performance. So I'm hoping it would be good for some time.

The CM PSU calculator estimates a total load wattage of 494, this number also takes into account an Vcore voltage of 1.4v along with an SSD, HDD, 7 fans and maximum ram slot usage. Correct me if I am wrong, but I think a 650W PSU should be enough.

One concern I have about getting an SSD is that this board doesn't have an Intel SATA 3 controller. So my question is, how much speed improvement will I see with an SSD on this board compared to a HDD, if I plug the SSD into a SATA 2 or Marvell SATA 3 port?
 
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You will still get most of the benefits of an SSD even when using SATA2 rather than 3. It's the seek times that make most of the difference, I'm running a samsung 830 in SATA2 with my 5650.
 
Saffy said:
Yeah, it's close to 1 pound per core + thread. :D

Thanks for the tips. I will report back once I am confident that I can OC safely.

I have a 1080p 60hz monitor so I think a GTX 1060 6GB will be best suited. A monitor upgrade is looking unlikely since I have a console background and this already will be a big jump in performance. So I'm hoping it would be good for some time.

The CM PSU calculator estimates a total load wattage of 494, this number also takes into account an Vcore voltage of 1.4v along with an SSD, HDD, 7 fans and maximum ram slot usage. Correct me if I am wrong, but I think a 650W PSU should be enough.

One concern I have about getting an SSD is that this board doesn't have an Intel SATA 3 controller. So my question is, how much speed improvement will I see with an SSD on this board compared to a HDD, if I plug the SSD into a SATA 2 or Marvell SATA 3 port?
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It does have a marvel sata3 controller though, just not an inel one. Use it, its fine. You could also fit a pci based ssd. I have an OCZ Revodrive. You won't notice any real life speed difference really.
 
Harpss1ngh said:
It does have a marvel sata3 controller though, just not an inel one. Use it, its fine. You could also fit a pci based ssd. I have an OCZ Revodrive. You won't notice any real life speed difference really.
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Thank you. The PCI SSDs are steeply priced. However a regular 2.5 inch is more within reach. :) So I might pick one up from CeX as I have a £70 voucher lying around catching dust.
 
I use sata two ports as the marvel controllers on the x58 boards are terrible. I get 270 read and write on a sata two port if I use my marvel controller I get 450mb read and 250mb write
 
Don't worry about SATA2 with SSD... as said, access times will are the real benefit of SSD, not throughput. Go for one of the mid-range SSD, makes a huge difference to the overall system.
 
Even using sata two it's a vast improvement over a hdd. I have 2 x 850 evos in raid and 1 x ocz ssd for my os, raid is only there to simply show it as one drive as I got fed up looking at two lol. Just don't expect full read and write speeds on the x58 boards with marvel controllers
 
Agreed, my laptop and work PC use SATA 6 Gb/s SSDs and I'd never be able to tell the difference between them and the SATA 3 Gb/s SSD on my X58 rig. Just look up real world benchmarks for HDD vs SATA SSD vs NVMe SSD. Only in a couple of cases is there a non-negligible difference between the latter two, but the jump from HDD to SSD is huge.

It basically only matters if you're doing some specialist disk I/O intensive stuff.
 
Great results! Thank you for sharing them. :)
Your single thread score is better than a stock Ryzen 5 1600 and an i5-6400, which is very impressive for such an old CPU.

And thanks for all the input on SSDs.
 
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Harpss1ngh said:
Doesn't take much to beat a Ryzen :p:D
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Haha!

I'm still coming to terms with how good of deal this is. Motherboard, 10GB RAM and an X5650 which overclocks pretty good for £136. It's an absolute steal after considering an 8th Gen i5. I'll stick with this setup for a while to come. Probably until it bottlenecks a newer GPU. :)
 
£136 is a fantastic price for all that!

I paid £90 for my board and cpu only, but will need to spend about another £40 on cooling parts for the VRMs, NB and SB.

Can't wait for all my other parts to turn up so I can build the damn thing and get overclockers.
 
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