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14th Gen "Raptor Lake Refresh"

Vimes said:
So........RL refresh being the last of the 1700 socket CPU's and AL being the next socket that will also bring the Z890 boards for the desktop user...?

Right(ish).......?

Not much point asking when the AL boards and CPU's are expected..?

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Arrowlake is due early 2024 - I think Intel will want to get it out the door ASAP as 14th gen reviews will be so bad. That's the one I'd recommend people wait for if they insist on Intel. Brand new platform, CPU cores on TSMC's 3nm node, no legacy DDR4 controller taking up die space - should be a monster.

LGA1700 is dead and IMO should only be considered when getting really cheap deals 2nd hand. This includes 14900k, which is just a 13900KS in sheep's clothing.

Also potential 14900k buyers, remember that you've buying the "best" for what will be a few short months, then Arrow Lake/Zen5 will significantly outperform it in every way possible.
 
They'd be releasing Arrow Lake CPUs right after the 14th generation if that were true.

Arrow Lake seems to be scheduled to go up against Zen 5 CPUs in Q4 2024 (makes sense I think).

I don't think Intel has a problem when it comes to performance, they do well in a lot of benchmarks like CPUz (particularly single thread).
 
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g67575 said:
They'd be releasing Arrow Lake CPUs right after the 14th generation if that were true.

Arrow Lake seems to be scheduled to go up against Zen 5 CPUs in Q4 2024 (makes sense I think).

I don't think Intel has a problem when it comes to performance, they do well in a lot of benchmarks like CPUz (particularly single thread).
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14th gen is not a new CPU - it's just Raptor Lake with + 200Mhz for the i9. It'll do badly in reviews, so Intel will be keen to get Arrow Lake out very, very soon IMO.
 
Phew, glad we all agree when AL is due to be released, wouldn't like any confusion. :D
Altho, only in some ways, if it is an early release, then it does make sense for me to skip RL refresh altogether.
Sense.......:D
 
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g67575 said:
They'd be releasing Arrow Lake CPUs right after the 14th generation if that were true.

Arrow Lake seems to be scheduled to go up against Zen 5 CPUs in Q4 2024 (makes sense I think).

I don't think Intel has a problem when it comes to performance, they do well in a lot of benchmarks like CPUz (particularly single thread).
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They don't have much to worry about, AMD was in a worse position with Zen 1 with performance and all the RAM issues AFAIK. They still made a comeback.
Anyone saying Intel is gonna be far behind or irrelevant is spouting hyperbolic nonsense similar to MLID IMO.
 
throwaway4372 said:
me too, 6700k needs to go, but it sounds like it'll be worth the wait.

need to get something built before China attacks Taiwan
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Waiting for the Arrow Lake LGA1851 platform is definitely worth it, 13th gen = 14th gen, both exactly the same architecture and both on dead end platform.

If you can't wait, AM5 and Zen4X3D is a fantastic choice right now for gaming.
 
Dave2150 said:
14th gen is not a new CPU - it's just Raptor Lake with + 200Mhz for the i9. It'll do badly in reviews, so Intel will be keen to get Arrow Lake out very, very soon IMO.
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The i7 looks tasty though as it adds 4 more e cores (as well as a clock bump) over the 13th gen one. Supposedly gives it a ~20% boost in multi threaded stuff.

That is going to be a pretty good cpu for its price point (maybe the best bang for buck), until zen 5 or arrow lake
 
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It's nice of Intel to keep showing us their CPUs that are still 2 to 3 years from release


Intel Lunar lake CPu has appeared in SiSoft Sandra benchmark database

The CPU has 20 cores with 3.9ghz boost and reports as a 2nm part

Lunar Lake uses the same P and E cores that Arrow Lake uses, it's acts like a refresh to Arrow Lake and it will be manufactured at 2nm where as Arrow Lake is 3nm

Lunar is Intel 16th Gen and won't be releasing till 2026

wccftech.com

Intel's Next-Gen Lunar Lake CPU Spotted: Early Sample With 8 Cores, 3.9 GHz Boost Clocks, 16 MB L3 Cache

A super-early Intel Lunar Lake CPU has been spotted within the SiSoftware database which packs 8 cores and up to 3.9 GHz boost clocks.
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Looks like Lunar Lake will NOT be seen on desktop, same as Meteor Lake:

The company has made it explicitly clear that Lunar Lake is not intended to serve as a high-end gaming architecture. Instead, it is slated for launch for low-power devices, and is likely to be released alongside or after Arrow Lake, which is poised to replace the Meteor Lake and Raptor Lake lineup.
Source: https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-lunar-lake-cpu-sample-spotted-with-20-cores
 
Doesn't look like there's much (or any) IPC gain for the MTL architecture (vs Golden Cove or 'Raptor Cove'), at least on the 'Redwood Cove' cores:

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Intel does mention better IPC for the E-cores though.

Easy to see why they didn't want a proper Meteor Lake desktop series now.

'Leaks' completely wrong about IPC again lol:

It's going to be quite a jump on desktops from Intel's 10nm process (renamed to Intel 7), down to a 2nm process for Arrow Lake CPUs, utilizing EUV lithography, improved power delivery and new 'RibbonFET' transistors.
 
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Dave2150 said:
Arrowlake is due early 2024 - I think Intel will want to get it out the door ASAP as 14th gen reviews will be so bad. That's the one I'd recommend people wait for if they insist on Intel. Brand new platform, CPU cores on TSMC's 3nm node, no legacy DDR4 controller taking up die space - should be a monster.

LGA1700 is dead and IMO should only be considered when getting really cheap deals 2nd hand. This includes 14900k, which is just a 13900KS in sheep's clothing.

Also potential 14900k buyers, remember that you've buying the "best" for what will be a few short months, then Arrow Lake/Zen5 will significantly outperform it in every way possible.
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For me it will be the best for awhile yet even if the next chipset and cpu is just round the corner cos im on the Z690 platform already. Getting the 14700k from a 12700k or even the 14900k will do me over for a long long time, ready for 16th gen whenever that will launch or even the gen after imo.

No one who wants to jump on intel should buy into 14th gen now, only if you are 12th gen that it makes any sense.

At the same time i don't fancy investing in a whole new platform again for any miniscule performance lift in real life gaming performance. I'm sure benchmark numbers will be impressive but it never directly translates to actual fps numbers to anything staggering or mind blowing.
 
Remember the fairly clear 'CPU Core roadmaps' that Intel used to publish like this one:

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Performance improvement clearly indicated for Golden Cove.

Nothing about MTL's or Arrow Lake's CPU core architecture on an equivalent roadmap since then.

MTL is understandable, but why be so cagey about Arrow Lake cores?
 
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Intel reportedly planning Arrow Lake Refresh featuring 8P+32E cores for 2025 debut - VideoCardz.com

Arrow Lake Refresh with 40 cores Intel’s latest client CPU roadmap has been presented by Moore’s Law is Dead. The video reiterates some rumors and solidifies the latest information about Intel’s plans for the next three years. However, the further we look into rumored and official roadmaps, the...
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Intel reportedly planning Arrow Lake Refresh featuring 8P+32E cores for 2025 debut​


So current rumours are, Arrow Lake Q4(!) 2024, 24 core 8P&24C, with 25% IPC increase on a single thread.

Arrow Lake refresh with 40 core (8P, 32E) in second half of 2025.

25% IPC would be amazing, at the same or less power draw.
 
I imagine MLID is quietly eating his own words, when it comes to his predictions about MTL performance.

Around 20% IPC gain for a major new architecture though, wouldn't be unusual.
 
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Arrow Lake refresh is old news at least by rumour. If that's true it's not really exciting except for the extra multicore performance.
g67575 said:
Around 20% IPC gain for a major new architecture though, wouldn't be unusual.
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Yeah, Alder Lake was a pretty big uplift. Arrow Lake might be decent then.. But are we getting 1 upgrade > the Arrow Lake refresh? Or more on the same motherboard?
 
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