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14th Gen "Raptor Lake Refresh"

Only problem going with 14th Gen is no upgrade path after unless you change the motherboard. One reason I went with AMD 7800X3D (should arrive this week), AM5 gives me the upgrade path down the road. I was in same boat as some of you guys ie do I wait for 14th Gen or Ryzen next year, anyway think I went the right choice. Regardless nice upgrade for me from my old Intel i5 2500k CPU, got my moneys worth out of that overclocked CPU :) .

Last thing I do prefer air cooling rather then AIO, Ryzens do run a bit cooler then Intel, so that was another reason in my case.
Upgrading is not always clear cut and many reasons to consider when you do go Intel or AMD :) .
 
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Elevon said:
Only problem going with 14th Gen is no upgrade path after unless you change the motherboard. One reason I went with AMD 7800X3D (should arrive this week), AM5 gives me the upgrade path down the road. I was in same boat as some of you guys ie do I wait for 14th Gen or Ryzen next year, anyway think I went the right choice. Regardless nice upgrade for me from my old Intel i5 2500k CPU, got my moneys worth out of that overclocked CPU :) .

Last thing I do prefer air cooling rather then AIO, Ryzens do run a bit cooler then Intel, so that was another reason in my case.
Upgrading is not always clear cut and many reasons to consider when you do go Intel or AMD :) .
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Price is a big factor. You can pickup Z690 boards, cheap 12th or 13th gen CPU's and use your old DDR4 RAM, for a much cheaper total cost than going new with AM5.
 
Dave2150 said:
Price is a big factor. You can pickup Z690 boards, cheap 12th or 13th gen CPU's and use your old DDR4 RAM, for a much cheaper total cost than going new with AM5.
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I'm sure you could say the same thing for AM4 for a cheaper solution, besides DDR5 is going to be the norm for awhile (pricing has dropped on DDR5) so glad I jumped on DDR5 wagon for now, will last a bit longer then DDR4 for future upgrades.

As I said in my previous post, lots of things to consider when upgrading, what is right for one person is not right for somebody else.

:)
 
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That's just pushing the problem down the line though - at some point you'll still need to buy DDR5 for a platform upgrade.
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That would be true if there was a good performance uplift in general software or games with DDR5 over DDR4 across the board, of which there is not.

The fact is that there are still occasions, due to the better latency, where DDR4 is better than DDR5, so until that changes dramatically (i.e. in maybe 3+ years time), then a Z690/DDR4 system should easily last well into the next platform/chipset change; when it makes more sense to get a much more mature DDR5 motherboard with support for the much faster DDR5 memory that should be around in 3+ years time.
 
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MartinPrince said:
That would be true if there was a good performance uplift in general software or games with DDR5 over DDR4 across the board, of which there is not.
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I’m pretty sure there is an uplift in games based on Hardware Unboxed benchmarks.

Edit - Actually seems they only tested lower end stuff. Can’t find much on mid- or high-tier comparisons. Seems there is an uplift but might not be what you would consider “good”.
 
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MartinPrince said:
That would be true if there was a good performance uplift in general software or games with DDR5 over DDR4 across the board, of which there is not.

The fact is that there are still occasions, due to the better latency, where DDR4 is better than DDR5, so until that changes dramatically (i.e. in maybe 3+ years time), then a Z690/DDR4 system should easily last well into the next platform/chipset change; when it makes more sense to get a much more mature DDR5 motherboard with support for the much faster DDR5 memory that should be around in 3+ years time.
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There is starting to be now. AC mirage has a very clear difference in FPS between low and high speed DDR5 kits. Especially when it comes to 1% lows. Its what has prompted me to finally upgrade from my 32gb kit of ddr5 4800 mhz cl40. went for 128gb (4x32gb) of G skill trident z5 6400mhz CL32
 
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Intel benchmarks for 14900k vs 7950x3d

Performance figures Core i9-14900K vs. Ryzen 9 7950X3D​

  • DOTA 2: 77%
  • Fortnite: 82%
  • Cyberpunk 2077: 89%
  • League of Legends: 94%
  • Horizon Zero Dawn: 94%
  • Final Fantasy 14: 95%
  • Red Dead Redemption 2: 96%
  • Forza Horizon 5: 98%
  • Assassin's Creed Valhalla: 99%
  • Galaxy Breaker: 99%
  • Company of Heroes 3: 100%
  • Far Cry 6: 103%
  • Mount & Blade II: Bannerlord: 103%
  • COD: MW2: 103%
  • GTA5: 105%
  • Hitman 3: 106%
  • Rainbow Six Siege: 107%
  • World of Tanks Encore RT: 108%
  • Serious Sam 4: 108%
  • Civilization 6: 109%
  • Counter Strike Global Offensive: 114%
  • Ashes of the Singularity: 115%
  • Total War Warhammer 3: 122%
  • Starfield: 123%
  • Metro Exodus: 123%


* Overall 14900k 2% faster than 7950x3d on average based on above data. Internal Intel data
 
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Work it out yourself

Just let assume Intel is right and 14900knis 2% faster than 7950x3d. Well how fast is 7950x3d vs 13900k?

According to TPU on average the 7950x3d and 13900k have the same performance
www.techpowerup.com

AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D Review - Best of Both Worlds

The Ryzen 9 7950X3D is the spearhead of the AMD Zen 4 X3D lineup. In our performance review we test AMD's new 16-core flagship with dozens of applications and 14 games at up to 4K, to see whether AMD can take the performance crown from Intel, how power consumption is affected, and what can be...
www.techpowerup.com www.techpowerup.com


Therefore the 14900k is 2% faster than the 13900k in gaming
 
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Armageus said:
That's just pushing the problem down the line though - at some point you'll still need to buy DDR5 for a platform upgrade.
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One can stay on Raptor Lake or RLR and fast DDR4 until DDR6 comes out.

I have a PC with an i7-4790K and 32GB 2133MT/s DDR3 RAM and it was easily fast enough to skip DDR4 and upgrade to AM5 or LGA1700 in 2022.
 
Curtis vincent said:
There is starting to be now. AC mirage has a very clear difference in FPS between low and high speed DDR5 kits. Especially when it comes to 1% lows. Its what has prompted me to finally upgrade from my 32gb kit of ddr5 4800 mhz cl40. went for 128gb (4x32gb) of G skill trident z5 6400mhz CL32
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Not really as you're comparing really slow 4800 DDR5 to decent midrange DDR5. What you really want to compare is decent DDR4 i.e. 3600 C14 and higher to what you have now. In my limited testing there really isn't much difference across the board.
 
Elevon said:
I'm sure you could say the same thing for AM4 for a cheaper solution, besides DDR5 is going to be the norm for awhile (pricing has dropped on DDR5) so glad I jumped on DDR5 wagon for now, will last a bit longer then DDR4 for future upgrades.

As I said in my previous post, lots of things to consider when upgrading, what is right for one person is not right for somebody else.

:)
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You're moving goalposts quite a bit there. We're discussing upgrading to the (similar) performance offered between AM5 and LGA1700 setups. Whilst the performance is similar, the price is not, as Z690 boards are dirt cheap and you can re-use your DDR4. AM5 just cannot offer this.

Of course you're right about different products and price points being right for different people - this is obvious and I didn't suggest otherwise. I'm personally using a 13900k for my work system and a 7950X3D for my gaming system, both with DDR5.

If I were on a budget however, I'd personally be using a used 12th, 13th gen CPU, DDR4 and a cheap Z690 board, this can't be beaten on price for the performance offered. If I wanted to drop further in budget, and give up additional performance, then AM4 with a 5800x3d and ddr4 would be the next rung of the ladder.
 
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Grim5 said:
Work it out yourself

Just let assume Intel is right and 14900knis 2% faster than 7950x3d. Well how fast is 7950x3d vs 13900k?

According to TPU on average the 7950x3d and 13900k have the same performance
www.techpowerup.com

AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D Review - Best of Both Worlds

The Ryzen 9 7950X3D is the spearhead of the AMD Zen 4 X3D lineup. In our performance review we test AMD's new 16-core flagship with dozens of applications and 14 games at up to 4K, to see whether AMD can take the performance crown from Intel, how power consumption is affected, and what can be...
www.techpowerup.com www.techpowerup.com


Therefore the 14900k is 2% faster than the 13900k in gaming
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That would mean the 14900K is slower than a 7950X.
 
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Dave2150 said:
You're moving goalposts quite a bit there. We're discussing upgrading to the (similar) performance offered between AM5 and LGA1700 setups. Whilst the performance is similar, the price is not, as Z690 boards are dirt cheap and you can re-use your DDR4. AM5 just cannot offer this.

Of course you're right about different products and price points being right for different people - this is obvious and I didn't suggest otherwise. I'm personally using a 13900k for my work system and a 7950X3D for my gaming system, both with DDR5.

If I were on a budget however, I'd personally be using a used 12th, 13th gen CPU, DDR4 and a cheap Z690 board, this can't be beaten on price for the performance offered. If I wanted to drop further in budget, and give up additional performance, then AM4 with a 5800x3d and ddr4 would be the next rung of the ladder.
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I'm not, you are only stating what I said, ie every person has different needs, price wise both Intel and AMD have cheaper solutions, as I stated in my case the AM5 platform with DDR5 is the better option for me, I've already stated my reasons. Remember I' going from Intel to AMD so like you I choose the best option for my needs regardless of brand.

I should say I'm a gamer period so no need for office or other usage needs :) .

Remember Z690 board you have not got much of an upgrade path, so you will end up buying another board down the road, AM5 with DDR5 for me feels like a better alternative with better cpu support, so I save my money that way ie not needing a motherboard upgrade for quite awhile . (I'm sure you can see my logic there).
So to recap for the last time what is right for you on a budget does not mean it's right for somebody else, plenty of users out there would find a reason not to go Intel and you have to respect their decision and vice versa.
 
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Elevon said:
I'm not, you are only stating what I said, ie every person has different needs, price wise both Intel and AMD have cheaper solutions, as I stated in my case the AM5 platform with DDR5 is the better option for me, I've already stated my reasons. Remember I' going from Intel to AMD so like you I choose the best option for my needs regardless of brand.

I should say I'm a gamer period so no need for office or other usage needs :) .

Remember Z690 board you have not got much of an upgrade path, so you will end up buying another board down the road, AM5 with DDR5 for me feels like a better alternative with better cpu support, so I save my money that way ie not needing a motherboard upgrade for quite awhile . (I'm sure you can see my logic there).
So to recap for the last time what is right for you on a budget does not mean it's right for somebody else, plenty of users out there would find a reason not to go Intel and you have to respect their decision and vice versa.
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I don't think you read my posts fully? Personally, I own both a AM5 7950X3D system (for gaming) and a 13900k/z690 system for work. Both with DDR5.

My point was that z690/12th gen/13th gen is much more performance per £ at many lower budget options. I'm not saying YOU should have bought anything, that's obviously completely up to you. There's just no getting out of the fact that Z690/DDR4/12th/13th gen is very cheap and can't be matched on AM5 currently (with the same performance).

I think we should leave it here now, we're taking over the thread :)
 
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Agreed!......Btw it'll be interesting to see if both AMD and Intel with regards to 13th Gen do a price cut. I guess time will tell. I wonder how temps will go with 14th gen, I'm one of the few that hate AIO coolers.
 
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Elevon said:
Agreed!......Btw it'll be interesting to see if both AMD and Intel with regards to 13th Gen do a price cut. I guess time will tell. I wonder how temps will go with 14th gen, I'm one of the few that hate AIO coolers.
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Getting to a point you need an aio or liquid of some sort as these are pulling down the watts.
 
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