159mph copper's aquittal overturned

All of this happened in the very early hours of the morning. Yes you are right about the 30 Zone, but you all need to remember that all of this happened at the early hours of the morning.

If you don't know any thing about Telford, or any thing about the roads, i will tell you this. You cann't shut down ANY of the M54, for ANY time period, as the place will ground to a halt. M54 connects Wales to Shrewsbury and Shrewsbury to Telford, and Telford to the M6, it is literally the main road in and out of Telford.

Fox is absolutely right about this, and i believe it's a first me ever saying that. We do seem to clash opinions on these boards, but this time he is exactly right. You cannot practice what he is practising in a controlled environment. There is NO controlled environment on the motorway. You can how ever feel what the car will be like at speeds. But you can't feel how it will react over taking, slowing down, on a motorway with drivers unpredictable as us.

He never hurt any one, it's a necessity for his job. If i came home and found a member of my family being hurt, i'd want the policeman to get here as fast as they can. If they fear the speed limits, then they will stick to the speed limits. It can litteraly be seconds between life and death, i'd rather the police get here before rather than later.
 
[TW]Fox said:
How can you familiarise yourself with a cars road performance on a race track?
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lol wtf?

Since using my motorbike on a race track three times my riding ability has increased tenfold and my understanding of the performance and handling of the bike.
 
noob said:
lol wtf?
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Cars perform differently on a nice, smooth, specifically designed track.

Witness road tests of cars like the Focus RS, for example. It was a different animal on the road to how it was around a track...

The road is NOT a race track - whilst there are skills you can learn on a track that help on the road, there is no substitute for practice in the actual environment.
 
You have to be in the environment to practice it. You can't practice programming, whilst in a swimming pool...

you don't get pot holes, un-even cambers, and more importantly, you don't know what every bend is like. On a track you know how to take each corner, what each corner is, and you will be taking the same line, on the road / motorway you need to experience each corner, every line, and how it handles during this.

I can't believe people are so up in arms about this. "One rule for them, one rule for us" They ARE the police, it goes back to the old saying, who police's the police ? In this case he doesn't need policing.
 
So what you are saying is I have learned absolutely NOTHING AT ALL about my bike whilst using it on the track?

I'm not talking about my riding skills I'm talking about what I know about my bike.
 
Well, imo there is nothing better than a track to improve high speed driving skills. There is also no greater test for a car than to be put onto a track.

Track layouts are made to test the driver and test the car to the maximum.

I'd say I would be more familiar with my car after two laps around a track than 2 hours driving on the motorway.
 
send the coppers to the 'ring for training. there they can have traffic like a normal road (including coaches and camper vans), the surface is also very variable so no perfectly smooth tracks. and the long straight is pretty good for some top speed runs.

would be quite fun having a police car chase you around on with his blues and twos going, i would happily volunteer as the driver to be pursused :p muwhhahaha
 
No i'm saying that you don't know how your bike will perform on a public road, which has pot holes, cracks, uneven surfaces, patches where cables have been laid, man hole covers, sewers.

Whilst you are on the track, you are having no interaction with any thing around you, you are taking the racing line, staying perfectly still into and through the corner, you are not lookign around to constantly for other road users, you are not constantly thinking... hmmm if this guy pulls out what can i do ? Or you are not thinking about catching the criminal infront of you.

Believe it or not, you are not Carl Fogerty, you are not a word class biker and you will never will be. This poiliceman is not a Michael Schumacher, but he is an advanced driver, has done advanced courses and passed the tests, and has been described as the "creme de la creme" of pursuit drivers.
 
TomO said:
send the coppers to the 'ring for training. there they can have traffic like a normal road (including coaches and camper vans), the surface is also very variable so no perfectly smooth tracks. and the long straight is pretty good for some top speed runs.

would be quite fun having a police car chase you around on with his blues and twos going, i would happily volunteer as the driver to be pursused :p muwhhahaha
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How much would it costs to take the thousands of coppers of each constabulary and their cars, over to Germany ? Just not viable.
 
noob said:
So what you are saying is I have learned absolutely NOTHING AT ALL about my bike whilst using it on the track?
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No, I'm not saying that and you know damn well I'm not saying that.

I'm saying you've learnt nothing about how your bike performs at high speeds on the Motorway - you've learnt lots about control, which will undoubtedly be useful to you on the road, but a track is different to a road - different skills are needed.
 
I think that although a little excessive this is just a fuss over nothing. when this whole story original made the news i remember talking to a friend who was a traffic cop in the Met. He said new cars are reguarly tested by the guys on night shift and they write reports on how they performed, limitations, braking etc.
With cars being faster these days I think the traffic officers should be able to do this to give experience of high speed driving although it should be in the appropriate places and conditions.
 
It's becuase most people are obsessed with speed and the speed kills thing.

Jeremy Vine today said on Radio 2

'This guy calls himself an advanced driver - surely if he was an advanced driver he would have been traveling at 59mph not 159mph'

I mean, huh? With attitudes like that how can we ever get anywhere?
 
Simon said:
How can you practice persuit driving on your own?

What skills are needed at 159mph anyway? None.
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You don't, you practice the SKILLS needed to be an advanced driver, you get a feel of the car at those high speeds, so that when a pursuit does happen, you know how the car will handle when going over a bump or overtaking a lorry.
 
the fact that one of his colleague's found the recording on the cars video and shopped him, shows he was in the wrong and even they thought the speed was excessive.
he just wanted to see what speed the car would do and got court by forgetting to wipe the video after.
anyone can drive fast in a straight line, that takes no skill at all
 
Si. said:
People who have been in the army are trained in firearms.. should they be allowed to use them in public? I don't think so. This is the same.. Just because he can drive at 160 safely doesn't mean he should be allowed to.
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i carry my pistol every day at work, im not a marksman but im highly trained and im in the public every day, work it out

hes a top police driver, like me im a police driver and have had high speed training, its hard work and you do need to practice.

if you were getting mugged/car stolen and hes either 5 mins away or 10 which one will you chose. 160mph is not a strange thing anymore, most sports cars can get there and the only way to keep up is to match them speeds, so do we just let the sports cars get away, didnt think so

with the type of cars they are driving they are designed to go fast
 
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