159mph copper's aquittal overturned

[TW]Fox said:
This is exactly how I feel. This forum is full of performance car enthusiasts who enjoy driving fast. IMHO the 'omg its dangerous' stuff is a load of BS and the real reason is 'I'd have been nicked if it was me, thats so unfair'.
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Well it's nice to see how you think, because people are disagreeing with you they are automatically jelous of the copper because he got to go faster than they can, not because they actually think it's not right and can see the dangers in it.

You obviously have a lot of respect for others opinions.
 
[TW]Fox said:
This is exactly how I feel. This forum is full of performance car enthusiasts who enjoy driving fast. IMHO the 'omg its dangerous' stuff is a load of BS and the real reason is 'I'd have been nicked if it was me, thats so unfair'.
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The bold bit is EXACTLY why there's such a fuss. Any member of the public caught driving at the speeds PC Milton did would have probably had the book thrown at him. Regardless of his training, regardless of the time of day, he wasn't on a shout, and there was NO reasonable excuse for him to be driving at the speeds he did. There was the case of an ambulance driver delivering an organ to a hospital for an urgent transplant who got banned for doing 104mph on the motorway, even though he had his lights going, and was on a lifesaving journey. Clear case of double standards, and it's the hypocracy that really stinks.
 
Some people think it was dangerous, some dont. I don't - I've done over 150mph probably 50 times in the last 5 years.

Those that dont think it's dangerous, but still have a gripe about it will have the "it's unfair" stance.

I'm in the "it's unfair" camp.

If he really wanted familiarity - couldn't he have asked for some training of some sort? Surely there's a system in place for so called crack Police drivers to get familiar with new vehicles without enraging the public with actions of double standards?

Driving at very high speed is a no-brainer. You hit the gas, and make minor adjustments - and it doesn't matter who you are or what your experience is - you have very little input - minor adjustments, good observation and come off the gas slowly and brake gently. No brainer. Not what I'd call skill.
 
[TW]Fox said:
This is exactly how I feel. This forum is full of performance car enthusiasts who enjoy driving fast. IMHO the 'omg its dangerous' stuff is a load of BS and the real reason is 'I'd have been nicked if it was me, thats so unfair'.
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Drive at 150mph on any motorway, I dont care who you are , it's damn dangerous, scary and crazy how fast the clear road becomes full

Not from experience of course.

This guy can drive at over double the speed limit everywhere yet I get £60 fine +£70 on my insurance and 3 points for doing 54mph in traffic on a temporary 40. This guy is some superhero police driver though so he's so safe whereas I'm some criminal :confused:
 
Simon said:
This guy can drive at over double the speed limit everywhere yet I get £60 fine +£70 on my insurance and 3 points for doing 54mph in traffic on a temporary 40.
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Thats right, becuase he's a police officer.

Just as guys in the army get to walk around with guns and we don't.

If you want the same you are welcome to join up.
 
If there was no one around to harm when he was travelling at that speed then I don't see the problem. It should be an internal matter where he receives a reprimand within the Police.

However if there were other people on the road, so that an accident could've proved dangerous for others, then I feel action should be taken.
 
[TW]Fox said:
Thats right, becuase he's a police officer.

Just as guys in the army get to walk around with guns and we don't.

If you want the same you are welcome to join up.
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Can't remember seeing a solider in Morrisons doing his shopping with a rifle.

What about this guy who got points driving a heart at 104mph on the motorway? What do you think to that case?
 
[TW]Fox said:
Thats right, becuase he's a police officer.
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Such wisdom.

You should impart that little nugget of advice to his defence barrister - he's currently working on creating a watertight defence and, by jove - I think that might just do it!

:D
 
The other consideration is that if there had been an accident driving at 159mph I think the results would be the same at between 90-120mph anyway.
Not many people walk away from accidents involving that type of speed. So even if he was doing the permitted 120mph then the extra 39mph is irrelevant.
 
[TW]Fox said:
Thats right, becuase he's a police officer.

Just as guys in the army get to walk around with guns and we don't.

If you want the same you are welcome to join up.
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Ok Ok, I get what you're saying.

So, lets assume that PC Hilton is a member of the anti-terrorism squad. Without following the set procedures, or advising any of his superior officers, he decides that you are a potential terrorist and decides to break your door down and search your property, cuffing you, gun in your back, the whole shebang. He is an anti-terrorist police officer and by your rationale can therefore do this with no comeback. When he is found to be mistaken, you just have to take it on the chin, cos he's an officer, so tough.

People in the army are issued with guns but they aren't allowed to go into public places and shoot off targets amidst the real people to make them able to cope with it in a similar situation.

He is a police officer, yes. He is not above the law, and if he expects to be able to enforce the law, he must not take advantage of it and should take the same punishment that he would dish out.
 
To repeat, having ridden at upto 155mph i can honestly say i learnt nothing more than i would have at 112, 120, 130 etc i didnt feel any more danger, control or change in situation. Crosswinds still **** me up, and cars still approach fast. He could have gotten all the training he needed at a slower speed. FACT.

As for the 80 in a 30, if this was prolonged he should lose his license imo - for a decent period.

If he wants to practise the cars handling at speed i'll point him to some twisty B-roads where the national speed limit would be a struggle for a elite driver like himself.
 
Completely irrelevent analogy becuase in this case, nobody was hurt, injured, bothered or affected in any way by his actions.
 
[TW]Fox said:
Completely irrelevent analogy becuase in this case, nobody was hurt, injured, bothered or affected in any way by his actions.
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Not irrelevant, because it establishes your rationale in response to other situations, with the same principles. Luck was the deciding factor here, nothing else.
 
I think more than luck was the deciding factor - the officers judgement in when to use the speed was a result of his training, and thus, presumably why he did not create complete carnage.
 
[TW]Fox said:
Completely irrelevent analogy becuase in this case, nobody was hurt, injured, bothered or affected in any way by his actions.
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i'm sure if the army were to carry such training (as target shooting in a busy city envirnoment) their intention wouldnt be to "hurt, or injur". neither was the road training issued to the poilce - yet they quite easily COUL injur or kill people.

Obviously people WERE Affected and bothered as this would never have gone to court.
 
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