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[Participant]

God damn! That's one HELLUVA deal! Seriously tempted to sell off my 480 and grab one of these, as DMC5 was a pretty sure buy from me anyway, and also enjoyed The Divison immensely. It's basically like a free performance increase and warranty refresh.

Obvious OcUK agent is obvious .

 

[robin66]

So I'm guessing that the new gaming pack is part of the big surprise?

And the games in the pack, look a lot better to me than the last package deal they had.

 

[Begbie]

New pack does look good, but it'll need to be £200 for me to buy.

Hmm it seems the 580 is on par with the 390x. So it seems pointless, unless I can sell the game codes off as I doubt I'd play them, apart from Devil May Cry.

 

[Phixsator]

If only you did what I said and picked up a £459 V64 on launch day, would have had a glorious 15 months gaming time for the huge earth shattering price of an extra £60

I just bought myself one of the best vega 64's on the market the nitro+ for that exact amount . Funny/Weird thing is that vega 56 was costing the same or a ton more and the only cheaper 56 was the gigabyte version which isn't exactly getting good reviews and was only 40 quid less than the 64 i ordered. What can i say.. prices are all over the place here in Denmark.

 

[Mr G]

New pack does look good, but it'll need to be £200 for me to buy.

Hmm it seems the 580 is on par with the 390x. So it seems pointless, unless I can sell the game codes off as I doubt I'd play them, apart from Devil May Cry.

If it's anything like the last promotion, Ubisoft usually want you to link your Uplay account with AMD Rewards to activate the key like with Odyssey.

The other 2 will be Steam codes.

 

[Begbie]

If it's anything like the last promotion, Ubisoft usually want you to link your Uplay account with AMD Rewards to activate the key like with Odyssey.

The other 2 will be Steam codes.

Meh. I'll never play the Division, never enjoyed the last one.

 

[Mr G]

Meh. I'll never play the Division, never enjoyed the last one.

Way too much grinding for me might suit someone else but should the price be £279, not far of the cost of the Vega 56 at £349.

 

[ubersonic]

So I'm guessing that the new gaming pack is part of the big surprise?

Hope not, sadly manufacturers do't seem to ever understand that bundling £30 of games isn't as good as knocking £30 off a card xD

 

[Mr G]

Hope not, sadly manufacturers do't seem to ever understand that bundling £30 of games isn't as good as knocking £30 off a card xD

Not interested in any of those games to be honest. Must be costing more to bundle these games, so yeah why not save the BS and just knock these refreshes out at a discount.

 

[pandem0nium]

Software , once created can be copied and distributed ad infinitum. It doesn't really cost any money to do so. There's just the loss of a potential sale to consider, and that's probably insignificant compared to the loss per unit of discounting the hardware.

 

[Jono8]

Software , once created can be copied and distributed ad infinitum. It doesn't really cost any money to do so. There's just the loss of a potential sale to consider, and that's probably insignificant compared to the loss per unit of discounting the hardware.

This. Bundled games work very well for manufacturers. They probably strike a deal with developers where it costs them peanuts for each game (compared to full retail price). The developers probably don't mind as a large percentage of those games bundled were likely never going to be individual retail sales anyway.

 

[tommybhoy]

It's a third generation 480 ffs, there's no huge development cost being the third spin of the die.

AMD's too comfortable riding on NV,s pp letting them take the flak, 590 should be a £150 max GPU, they were throwing out 290 8Gb level of performance nearly 4 years ago@~£200 when they nearly folded-they couldn't give it away back then.

As there is no hbm they want to throw this out with the option of cheap as to get their branding back into the PC scene leaving it up to aibs to market premium priced units.

 

[Phixsator]

It's a third generation 480 ffs, there's no huge development cost being the third spin of the die.

AMD's too comfortable riding on NV,s pp letting them take the flak, 590 should be a £150 max GPU, they were throwing out 290 8Gb level of performance nearly 4 years ago@~£200 when they nearly folded-they couldn't give it away back then.

As there is no hbm they want to throw this out with the option of cheap as to get their branding back into the PC scene leaving it up to aibs to market premium priced units.

there was a fairly visible difference in performance between my r9 290 and my first rx 480. Frametimes were much better on the polaris card using the same drivers, both were 8gb models.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

It's a third generation 480 ffs, there's no huge development cost being the third spin of the die.

AMD's too comfortable riding on NV,s pp letting them take the flak, 590 should be a £150 max GPU, they were throwing out 290 8Gb level of performance nearly 4 years ago@~£200 when they nearly folded-they couldn't give it away back then.

As there is no hbm they want to throw this out with the option of cheap as to get their branding back into the PC scene leaving it up to aibs to market premium priced units.

So if the RX590 has to be £150 with 3 games(which AMD are paying for),where are all the threads saying a GTX1060 with no games should be then £100?

I see not a single bit of whining about why the GTX1060 shouldn't be cheaper here,and that sells in droves. That is setting the price of the RX590 and RX580.

Unlike many of you this is the kind price range I usually buy GPUs in,and I can see the stagnation,but even then it was AMD having to push more there than Nvidia. Plus the 21% reduction in the value of the Pound against the Dollar since 2015 too.

Maybe Nvidia should drop the price of the slower and cheaper to make GTX1060,which has no games,so AMD is forced to drop the price of the faster RX590 made on 12NM??

If Nvidia CBA dropping their prices,since people throw money at them,neither will AMD care to massively undercut them. After all between £150 to £250 they are faster in many cases,offer more VRAM and even extensive game bundles. If you are looking at price/performance there is a good chance you will be buying AMD anyway.

I mean come on a £158 RX570 8GB with three games against a GTX1050TI 4GB with no games??

So at least 40% faster,and yet I expect the GTX1050TI outsells it.

How cheap does it need to be for someone to buy it??

If that is not enough to sell their cards,then they shouldn't bother. Then you can have a £350 GTX2060 which is as fast as a GTX1070 and costs the same.

 

[HeX]

Hmm it seems the 580 is on par with the 390x. So it seems pointless, unless I can sell the game codes off as I doubt I'd play them, apart from Devil May Cry.

Depends on the game really. Some the 580 is considerably faster, others they are close. The major reason for the 480/580 is that they offer similar performance but are much cheaper to make and use about half the power compared to the 290/390.

At this point though the 590 really should be a £200 GPU.

 

[KillBoY_UK]

there was a fairly visible difference in performance between my r9 290 and my first rx 480. Frametimes were much better on the polaris card using the same drivers, both were 8gb models.

Maybe but I wouldn't recommend someone on a 290/390 4/8gb to upgrade to a 480/580 as the end gaming experience is very similar despite them being great value cards at the current prices.

 

[Darujhistan]

Depends on the game really. Some the 580 is considerably faster, others they are close. The major reason for the 480/580 is that they offer similar performance but are much cheaper to make and use about half the power compared to the 290/390.

At this point though the 590 really should be a £200 GPU.

The 1060 should be about £180 then as it has less VRAM, is it?

 

[tommybhoy]

So if the RX590 has to be £150 with 3 games(which AMD are paying for),where are all the threads saying a GTX1060 with no games should be then £100?

I see not a single bit of whining about why the GTX1060 shouldn't be cheaper here,and that sells in droves. That is setting the price of the RX590 and RX580.

Unlike many of you this is the kind price range I usually buy GPUs in,and I can see the stagnation,but even then it was AMD having to push more there than Nvidia. Plus the 21% reduction in the value of the Pound against the Dollar since 2015 too.

Maybe Nvidia should drop the price of the slower and cheaper to make GTX1060,which has no games,so AMD is forced to drop the price of the faster RX590 made on 12NM??

If Nvidia CBA dropping their prices,since people throw money at them,neither will AMD care to massively undercut them. After all between £150 to £250 they are faster in many cases,offer more VRAM and even extensive game bundles. If you are looking at price/performance there is a good chance you will be buying AMD anyway.

I mean come on a £158 RX570 8GB with three games against a GTX1050TI 4GB with no games??

So at least 40% faster,and yet I expect the GTX1050TI outsells it.

How cheap does it need to be for someone to buy it??

If that is not enough to sell their cards,then they shouldn't bother. Then you can have a £350 GTX2060 which is as fast as a GTX1070 and costs the same.

Way to miss the point the post was leading to cat.

I got a 970 for £174 after selling free bundled games on.

You want your brand recognition to increase, do a 970 to NV like they did to the 290-they destroyed it as cheap boards were as low as £220ish with games when it performed similar to 290X levels due to AMD performance being where it was(mediocre then) at 970 launch while being way cheaper than the 290X.

NV obviously don't have to do anything with their market share until it changes and a £250+ 590 won't change perception no matter the games.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Way to miss the point the post was leading to cat.

I got a 970 for £174 after selling free bundled games on.

You want your brand recognition to increase, do a 970 to NV like they did to the 290-they destroyed it as cheap boards were as low as £220ish with games when it performed similar to 290X levels.

NV obviously don't have to do anything with their market share until it changes and a £250+ 590 won't change perception no matter the games.

Oh come on,yet you conveniently forgot what the R9 290 and R9 290X did to Nvidia pricing too??

There were even some aftermarket R9 290 cards for just over £300 in 2014,which were cheaper than the GTX780. It had no effect.

People on US forums were pushing similar priced GTX960 cards over those reduced price R9 290 cards.

The RX470 was similar priced to a GTX1050TI and was 40% faster but people bought the latter.

The £158 RX570 was a similar case but with double the VRAM and three AAA games.

So in the end anyone looking at price/performance would be looking at AMD. The rest don't care.

Also what you are saying didn't work. It didn't work with the HD4000 and HD5000 series. It didn't work after the R7/R9 series had the massive game bundles and were undercutting the Kepler based cards. Nvidia still outsold AMD/ATI.

Like even in your case you used AMD pushing prices down to buy a cheaper Nvidia card. Did you buy the cheap R9 290? Nope. Hence proving what you say didn't even work with you.

Then you sideways defend Nvidia GTX1060 pricing which does not even offer any games. Has less VRAM,and the RX580 looks to be moving ahead and has cheaper deals.

So they drop the RX590 to £150 with 3 AAA games,and guess what??

All the people buying them probably might have already considered an AMD card with the current pricing tiers anyway.There are so many RX570/RX580 deals in the last month on HUKD.

All the others,would wait and see if the Nvidia GTX1060 drops a bit more and will buy that instead.

It sucks but this is the way it is. Its why I even think Navi will have a hard time - even if it would offer GTX1080 level performance for £250 and decent power consumption,the RTX2070 would outsell it at £450.

Shrugs.

 

[Begbie]

Depends on the game really. Some the 580 is considerably faster, others they are close. The major reason for the 480/580 is that they offer similar performance but are much cheaper to make and use about half the power compared to the 290/390.

At this point though the 590 really should be a £200 GPU.

Yeah I've had a few game crashes in PUBG recently and I think it's the GPU. If it's below £200 and I can get £80-90 for the 390x then I'll probably grab one. Otherwise I'll get a 2nd hand 1070.