;)

[Jono8]

Am glad someone gets it.

People really wanting a 590 for £150 or even £200 need to come back down from button moon it’s not going to happen unless you was a very special promo. To sell at such a price would simply bleed money and that would be very bad for AMD, if they don’t make a profit how long do people expect them to survive.

Maybe people forgot that as you have said they already have 570 8G at £159 and 580 8G at £199 which is incredible value, even more so when free games are included and it’s working for them.

So more ~1060 performance for the same price, 2.5 years later.

Yeh, brilliant and really something to get excited about!

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Also another thing. People forget the 8800GT. ATI could not even compete with the 8800GT,which was the 4th fastest card they did. Nvidia was the market leader then especially after the drubbing ATI got with the 8800GTX.

It didn't stop that making one of the best value mainstream cards made for years. People need to stop always expecting AMD to destroy its own self to push Nvidia pricing down - blame Nvidia for Nvidia pricing.

 

[Xein]

Right, so that means the 590 will be £250 right?

He already mentioned the price points, I posted the quote a few posts ago. (unless you're being /s of course )

 

[Vexr]

I have no issues with AMD releasing the RX 590 at a relatively normal but competitive price, but with a 'get ready to rumble' hype thread like this, expectations may not be being best managed.

 

[Darujhistan]

He already mentioned the price points, I posted the quote a few posts ago. (unless you're being /s of course )

No I missed it. What was it for the 590? I'd that thought that would have been NDA to be honest.

 

[Jono8]

No I missed it. What was it for the 590? I'd that thought that would have been NDA to be honest.

£250 - £350. Which is hilarious.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

So more ~1060 performance for the same price, 2.5 years later.

Yeh, brilliant and really something to get excited about!

Or you could stop complaining and look at the £158 RX570 8GB which had three games,more VRAM than a GTX1060 6GB and is not far off one??

Or the RX580 8GB deals for £199.99 for aftermarket cards,which are cheaper than what they were for the RX480 cards,have higher clockspeeds and are still cheaper with games.

Maybe,you should be asking why Nvidia is not reducing its own GTX1050TI and GTX1060 prices despite faster and cheaper competitor cards?

Oh wait because people sideways defended the pricing for years.

 

[Xein]

No I missed it. What was it for the 590? I'd that thought that would have been NDA to be honest.

Between £250-£350.

 

[Darujhistan]

£250 - £350. Which is hilarious.

BONKERS!

 

[Mr G]

Or you could stop complaining and look at the £158 RX570 8GB which had three games,more VRAM than a GTX1060 6GB and is not far off one??

Which is what i'm considering for my daughters build at the moment, unless the 580's drop.

 

[LePhuronn]

AMD need to do this, AMD need to do that.

Go design them a new market-shattering architecture then and sell the cards for peanuts if it's so easy...

I bet a fiver everybody who is crying about "rehasing Polaris" again would be even more vocal about AMD doing nothing until Navi. And then watch them continue to cry when Navi is around GTX 1080 performance.

 

[Jono8]

Or you could stop complaining

I'm alright. I will continue complaining thanks as i am right.

Middling ~1060 performance released for the same price nearly 2.5 years later is, frankly, rubbish and nothing to get excited about.

 

[LoadsaMoney]

£250 - £350. Which is hilarious.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

I'm alright. I will continue complaining thanks as i am right.

Middling ~1060 performance released for the same price nearly 2.5 years later is, frankly, rubbish and nothing to get excited about.

So again why are you deflecting from Nvidia not changing GTX1050TI and GTX1060 pricing for years,offering no games,etc and charging more.

Why don't you go into all the GTX1060 threads and complain about meh it is.

So when you have a middling GTX1060 and GTX1050TI which are overpriced,offer less VRAM,have very few if any freebies,etc,why would I as a person who value price/performance want a GTX1050TI 4GB for £150,or a £200+ GTX1060 6GB.

If you want AMD to offer a £150 RX590 with 3 AAA games,then you better start moaning at Nvidia more for them to start pushing the middling GTX1060 6GB under £200 then.

 

[Lokken86]

I'm alright. I will continue complaining thanks as i am right.

Middling ~1060 performance released for the same price nearly 2.5 years later is, frankly, rubbish and nothing to get excited about.

One slide of one game performing similar to a 1060 and everyone up in arms that it's only as good as a 1060. It will be way faster than one of those.

 

[Jono8]

So again why are you deflecting from Nvidia not changing GTX1050TI and GTX1060 pricing for years,offering no games,etc and charging more.

Why don't you go into all the GTX1060 threads and complain about meh it is.

So when you have a middling GTX1060 and GTX1050TI which are overpriced,offer less VRAM,have very few if any freebies,etc,why would I as a person who value price/performance want a GTX1050TI 4GB for £150,or a £200+ GTX1060 6GB.

If you want AMD to offer a £150 RX590 with 3 AAA games,then you better start moaning at Nvidia more for them to start pushing the GTX1060 6GB under £200 then.

I have stated many times that i think Nvidia are being **** as well. Nvidia placing the RTX series in price points above the 1000 series, instead of just replacing the price points (or thereabouts) like normal is obviously the main cause of this mess.

All I have said is that AMD aren't helping the matter by releasing the same card again, with a slight clock bump, at the same price. If that is what they have to price them at, because that is what they cost to manufacturer then fair enough, but don't expect many people to get excited on here, because it literally just gives us very similar price/performance to that which we had for over 2 years. You could have bought a 6gb 1060 in July 2016, on release, for less than £240 and 2.5 years later you have almost the same thing AMD are releasing now (with, granted maybe ~5-10% on average more perf based on those leaked perf numbers) .

 

[Cooper]

Its like the PC has turned in to a fixed price, fixed spec console model.

4yrs of getting 1080p gaming at £300 and virtually no improvement in the price/performance ratio in all that time of subsequent GPU releases.

The whole sorry market is broken.

 

[tommybhoy]

I have stated many times that i think Nvidia are being **** as well. Nvidia placing the RTX series in price points above the 1000 series, instead of just replacing the price points (or thereabouts) like normal is obviously the main cause of this mess.

All I have said is that AMD aren't helping the matter by releasing the same card again, with a slight clock bump, at the same price. If that is what they have to price them at, because that is what they cost to manufacturer then fair enough, but don't expect many people to get excited on here, because it literally just gives us very similar price/performance to that which we had for over 2 years. You literally could have bought a 6gb 1060 in July 2016, on release, for less than £240 and 2.5 years later you have almost the same thing AMD are releasing now (with, granted maybe ~5-10% on average more perf based on those leaked perf numbers) .

Love how it's Nv's fault yet AMD are blameless for matching that pp, they are both working in concert on the pp.

And I'm not wearing low profit margins excuses either, everyone literally coined it in with the meal ticket that was/is and probably will be again with mining.

 

[Begbie]

Meh, once again, where is the "real" <£300 upgrade for 290(x) users????

No doubt for people new to pc gaming, these are good deals but for existing users on 290/480/580/1060, it is ****.

Doesn't exist.

Have literally no upgrade path for over 3 years now. Without spending £400+. Absolutely insane.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Love how it's Nv's fault yet AMD are blameless for matching that pp, they are both working in concert on the pp.

And I'm not wearing low profit margins excuses either, everyone literally coined it in with the meal ticket that was/is and probably will be again with mining.

I love all your posts are saying its AMD's fault.

You are now burying what you said. You said the RX590 needed to be £150,so basically a card 60% faster than a GTX1050TI 4GB with double the VRAM and no doubt you expect the same games.

Yet,you never said that also the GTX1060 6GB by extension needed to be £125 or the GTX1050TI 4GB needed to be £100,etc and instead defended the pricing.

Also this means by extension the 40% to 45% faster RX570 8GB at £158 was also not worth it.

AMD needs to be 60% faster at a similar price to Nvidia. You are implying that.

So you defend Nvidia pricing of the GTX1050TI pricing by attacking AMD. This is why we have the crap market now,since people like you made up pie in the sky targets for AMD to reach,which you know won't happen then keep defending poor Nvidia pricing.

Like when you said AMD had cheap R9 290 cards,which you never bought anyway,since you used that to buy a GTX970 instead. So AMD exists to drop the pricing of your Nvidia cards,but then apparently a GTX1050TI is fine at £150. Why don't you go into all the threads moaning at the price of the GTX1050TI and GTX1060 3GB then??

This is all "false" concern.

Your whole argument is trying to make sure no one buys an AMD card,and to push them to tiny die Nvidia cards like the GTX1050TI which are being sold at much higher margins and with no games.

What is best for you,is AMD just not bothers anymore. Then you can have the monopoly you crave.

I have stated many times that i think Nvidia are being **** as well. Nvidia placing the RTX series in price points above the 1000 series, instead of just replacing the price points (or thereabouts) like normal is obviously the main cause of this mess.

All I have said is that AMD aren't helping the matter by releasing the same card again, with a slight clock bump, at the same price. If that is what they have to price them at, because that is what they cost to manufacturer then fair enough, but don't expect many people to get excited on here, because it literally just gives us very similar price/performance to that which we had for over 2 years. You literally could have bought a 1060 in Jul 2018 for the same price and 2.5 years later you have almost the same thing AMD are releasing now.

Yes it is utterly meh under £300 now,but I blame the attitude of too many gamers who buy overpriced cards like the GTX1050TI 4GB even two years ago when you had better cards,or the people who pushed the GTX960 over the R9 290 on US tech forums.

Because in the end if you already offer better price/performance,then offering better price/performance to people who don't care(it seems) won't do anything except reduce the money you make from people who already will buy your products. AMD is giving you better value now. But the GTX1050TI price is remarkably consistent,so that tells me they have loads of sales. It should be a card at £100 now nearer to £150. If 40% to 45% extra performance won't do it,neither will 60% and in the end maybe AMD really needs to start a new graphics brand.

Honestly the HD4000/HD5000/HD6000 series tried that,and Nvidia still reigned supreme. AMD could a release a GTX1080 level Navi for £250 now,and you know what,the similar speed RTX2070 would still sell more units at £450. Why?? History tells us this,so maybe you need to also blame consumers to some degree.

But when you have people like tommybhoy expecting AMD is only worth buying when an RX590 needs to be £150 and defending GTX1050TI pricing,then honestly they should just give up.