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[Xein]

For those debating price, this is what Gibbo posted.

RX 580 has been reduced to allow it to fit into the pricing stack, this is why 580's are now appearing at £199 and to be honest that makes the RX 580 better value.

I believe 580 8G will stabilise around £219 after promotion period and 580 4G will drop in at £199, so 580 8G at £199 is a steal.

Expect to 590 sitting at £250 - £350

Quote taken from this thread.

 

[Jono8]

For those debating price, this is what Gibbo posted.



Quote taken from this thread.

Who would be mad enough to pay over £300 for a 590?

 

[Armageus]

NV obviously don't have to do anything with their market share until it changes and a £250+ 590 won't change perception no matter the games.

And nor would you expect them to. The 590 isn't being touted as being a game changer, it's an easy quick win product, that potentially exists to fulfill wafer agreements with Global Foundaries whilst providing at least some kind of "new" product in the market for OEMs, and retailers (rather than continuing to sell the RX580 that has been around for a while).

AMD can't magic up a perception changing card overnight - Navi might be it given that it was pushed back, certainly Arcturus you would hope definitely will be. We've seen similar even with Intel and them not being able to react quickly enough to compete with AMD - it takes time to bring ground breaking products to market, the best you can do in the short term is respin/tweak/overclock existing products to make up that shortfall until new products arrive.

 

[Jono8]

And nor would you expect them to. The 590 isn't being touted as being a game changer, it's an easy quick win product, that potentially exists to fulfill wafer agreements with Global Foundaries whilst providing at least some kind of "new" product in the market for OEMs, and retailers (rather than continuing to sell the RX580 that has been around for a while).

AMD can't magic up a perception changing card overnight - Navi might be it given that it was pushed back, certainly Arcturus you would hope definitely will be. We've seen similar even with Intel and them not being able to react quickly enough to compete with AMD - it takes time to bring ground breaking products to market, the best you can do in the short term is respin/tweak/overclock existing products to make up that shortfall until new products arrive.

I don't think anyone is disputing that. It is the price that matters. This is an old arch and AMD could completely mop up the mid range market if they dropped this at ~£200. Just slotting it in to an already narrow window between the 1060/580 and 1070/vega 56 is a bad choice if you ask me, especially if AMD want to win back more market share.

These are old cards/old tech with the same price/performance we have had for years now. Something has got to give and you would hope AMD would lead the way. Obviously not.

 

[Marine-RX179]

Who would be mad enough to pay over £300 for a 590?

Indeed. This is a AMD card not a Nvidia card we are talking about

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

So let me get this straight for the last month we have £160 RX570 8GB cards with three games against the GTX1050TI 4GB,RX580 4GB/8GB cards with three games undercutting the GTX1060 6GB,and yet all the people whining here are whining at AMD. Not a single peep at the GTX1060 6GB pricing which is why the RX590 is priced at its current price,and it includes 3 AAA games. But to denigrate that the games are "useless",yet Nvidia does not even include three useless games.

Now its morphed into that the "only way" any Polaris card is worth buying now is if a RX590 8Gb costs the same as a GTX1050TI 4GB at £150,with three AAA games.

So looking at that it seems a number here only think any AMD card is worth it over a Nvidia one if it is at least 50% to 60% faster at a similar price. Wow.

No one moaning at why the GTX1050TI 4GB costs so much,or why the GTX1060 6GB price seems to still have stayed the same.

Navi is going to be pointless methinks. The same lot will be moaning it costs too much,whilst ignoring the Nvidia cards which cost even more for similar performance.

 

[Jono8]

So let me get this straight for the last month we have £160 RX570 8GB cards with three games against the GTX1050TI 4GB,RX580 4GB/8GB cards with three games undercutting the GTX1060 6GB,and yet all the people whining here are whining at AMD. Not a single peep at the GTX1060 6GB pricing which is why the RX590 is priced at its current price,and it includes 3 AAA games. But to denigrate that the games are "useless",yet Nvidia does not even include three useless games.

Navi is going to be pointless methinks. The same lot will be moaning it costs too much,whilst ignoring the Nvidia cards which cost even more for similar performance.

Nvidia taking the pee is a given and they are obviously mostly to blame. AMD have the chance here to take it to them though and dominiate the mid to low range bracket. Instead they are just re-releasing Polaris and squeezing it in between narrow existing price brackets which is irritating.

People want better price/performance, something that has barely happened for 2 and a half years now (since the 1000 launch)

 

[KillBoY_UK]

Nvidia taking the pee is a given and they are obviously mostly to blame. AMD have the chance here to take it to them though and dominiate the mid to low range bracket. Instead they are just re-releasing Polaris and squeezing it in between narrow existing price brackets which is irritating.

People want better price/performance, something that has barely happened for 2 and a half years now (since the 1000 launch)

almost feel like a repeat of what happened with 28nm as 20nm was scrapped.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Nvidia taking the pee is a given and they are obviously mostly to blame. AMD have the chance here to take it to them though and dominiate the mid to low range bracket. Instead they are just re-relaising Polaris and squeezing it in between narrow existing price brackets which is irritating.

People want better price/performance, something that has barely happened for 2 and a half years now (since the 1000 launch)

I want it too since I usually buy sub £250 cards,but how can there be a market based on price/performance when it is obvious so many don't care.

AMD already do dominate the lower/mid range with the current deals. But it doesn't work - HD4000/HD5000 series pushed Nvidia. People on average still bought Nvidia,and waited for ATI/AMD to make those cards cheaper. In the US people were pushing GTX960 cards over similarly priced R9 290 cards,etc.

The fact is a £158 RX570 in an era when the Pound is 21% weaker than in 2015,with 3 AA games,against a crap GTX1050TI 4GB and I expect the latter on average is probably a bigger seller at an average retailer.

The thing is its quite obvious both companies overproduced GPUs,but have you noticed how Nvidia hasn't had to push pricing down that much,or offer massive game bundles on their sub £300 cards?? The moment the cards went back to RRP,people just snapped them up.

The fact that the RX590 has to come with such a big games bundle at LAUNCH,is very telling.

People shouldn't rag on AMD only - people who value price/performance will be seriously considering them anyway,if they massively undercut it means they make even less money from GPUs(only 30% of the entire revenue including commercial GPUs). Expecting an RX590 for £150 with three even more valuable games overall,how are they going to be able to make GPUs at this rate?? Polaris based cards cost more to make,and against a tiny die GTX1050TI,then there will be nothing left in the tank.

People forget,Raja Koduri said years ago AMD decided the GPU market was a deadend,and that is probably because the investments in the HD4000/HD5000/HD6000 series did not pay off - people just bought Nvidia anyway. It continued even after GCN - the R9 290/290X should have also been far more successful as the pricing was desruptive,but it failed.

It makes me very worried if AMD will be bothering with graphics in a few years time. If Navi ends up being decent performance and a decent price,and more expensive Nvidia cards with similar performance still massively outsell,then I expect we better hope Intel has something decent.

 

[Vexr]

Let’s just say AMD just owned Black Friday and Christmas as many shoppers shall be very happy!

If this is purely about the RX 590, AMD won't be owning Black Friday let alone Christmas except maybe the 1080p/60hz GPU market for anyone who's not got a GTX 1060+ already (unless it's so ridiculously cheap it's Crossfire time ).

I haven't been here long, but wondering if things get over-hyped on here. Were there previous posts about 'Seagate about to set the world on fire!' then the big reveal is a 7200 rpm HDD with bit of a discount?

 

[tommybhoy]

So let me get this straight

Im not whining just pointing the fact that your never going to get my comments straight as your to busy thinking I'm defending Nv's obnoxoius pricing as again you missed the point I was making.

NV being the market leader don't have to react to anything unless they are made to react meaning a 590 even with 6 games@£250 imo still wouldn't make NV react.

Whereas a no game bundle £150 cheapo 590/sub £200 quality GPU would make them react-it would be a game changer.

I'll point out having a subjective opinion on AMD isn't whining either it's only an opinion on how AMD could shake the market with brand exposure as it wouldn't be a flawed 290 release with it being the third spin on the GPU, with mature fast drivers, temps/coolers are competitive too.

Leave you with the reality that it's AMD that needs to win customers not the other way around-another lukewarm response won't cut into 1060 market share at all imo-where the money is made on high volume sales, not in comparison trickling worldwide +£500 sales and point out the last time AMD were on an even keel was back in the day when they made really great(not just good) fast competitive gpu's.

 

[dragonslayer]

Nvidia taking the pee is a given and they are obviously mostly to blame. AMD have the chance here to take it to them though and dominiate the mid to low range bracket. Instead they are just re-releasing Polaris and squeezing it in between narrow existing price brackets which is irritating.

People want better price/performance, something that has barely happened for 2 and a half years now (since the 1000 launch)

But because " Nvidia is a given " is the exact reason they charge so much so why should AMD undercut then so much if it's acceptable for Nvidia? You can't just say oh it's fine it's Nvidia then scream at AMD for doing the same with a BETTER card

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Im not whining just pointing the fact that your never going to get my comments straight as your to busy thinking I'm defending Nv's obnoxoius pricing as again you missed the point I was making.

NV being the market leader don't have to react to anything unless they are made to react meaning a 590 even with 6 games@£250 imo still wouldn't make NV react.

Whereas a £150 cheapo 590/sub £200 quality GPU would make them react-it would be a game changer.

I'll point out having a subjective opinion on AMD isn't whining either it's only an opinion on how AMD could shake the market with brand exposure as it wouldn't be a flawed 290 release with it being the third spin on the GPU, with mature fast drivers, temps/coolers are competitive too.

Leave you with the reality that it's AMD that needs to win customers not the other way around-another lukewarm response won't cut into 1060 market share at all imo-where the money is made on high volume sales, not in comparison trickling worldwide +£500 sales.

Because the HD4000/HD5000 series worked out,right?? People on large US forums pushing GTX960 cards over similarly priced R9 290 cards,says it all TBH.

The fact is if a £158 RX570 8GB which is 40% to 50% faster than a GTX1050TI 4GB,with three games including a major release(which cost £40 at that time),cheaper than a GTX1060 3GB,and with 5GB more VRAM,can't work and you think it needs to be an RX590 8GB against a GTX1050TI 4GB,its better that they just don't bother,and let Nvidia all of the market.

So basically you are saying AMD needs to be at least 60% faster SKU for SKU for anyone to consider them??

So using absurd logic,if AMD needs to compete with a GTX1050TI with an RX590,to compete with a GTX1060 needs to sell a Vega64 for the same price??

No wonder AMD decided to cut back on GPU development. This is not sustainable for any company in the tech industry longterm.

LOL.

 

[Jono8]

Im not whining just pointing the fact that your never going to get my comments straight as your to busy thinking I'm defending Nv's obnoxoius pricing as again you missed the point I was making.

NV being the market leader don't have to react to anything unless they are made to react meaning a 590 even with 6 games@£250 imo still wouldn't make NV react.

Whereas a £150 cheapo 590/sub £200 quality GPU would make them react-it would be a game changer.

I'll point out having a subjective opinion on AMD isn't whining either it's only an opinion on how AMD could shake the market with brand exposure as it wouldn't be a flawed 290 release with it being the third spin on the GPU, with mature fast drivers, temps/coolers are competitive too.

Leave you with the reality that it's AMD that needs to win customers not the other way around-another lukewarm response won't cut into 1060 market share at all imo-where the money is made on high volume sales, not in comparison trickling worldwide +£500 sales and point out the last time AMD were on an even keel was back in the day when they made really great(not just good) fast competitive gpu's.

Absolutely this.

I think Nvidia are ****s for what they did with the 2000 series but the fact remains, they have no competition at that level so can do what they want.

As you said, we need AMD to do something "game changing" to spice the market up a bit and to make Nvidia blink.

 

[Jono8]

But because " Nvidia is a given " is the exact reason they charge so much so why should AMD undercut then so much if it's acceptable for Nvidia? You can't just say oh it's fine it's Nvidia then scream at AMD for doing the same with a BETTER card

Nvidia have no competition and are the market leader so don't have to do anything. When one company has such a commanding lead in terms of performance, we have to pray that a competitor can bring something to the table that will make Nvidia rethink their pricing.

Again, i think Nvidia are ***** for releasing the 2000 series at price points above the current gen but they have zero competition in that bracket so if they think they can sell them at a given price, they will try.

 

[Gibbo]

Because the HD4000/HD5000 series worked out,right?? People on large US forums pushing GTX960 cards over similarly priced R9 290 cards,says it all TBH.

The fact is if a £158 RX570 8GB which is 40% to 50% faster than a GTX1050TI 4GB,with three games including a major release(which cost £40 at that time),cheaper than a GTX1060 3GB,and with 5GB more VRAM,can't work and you think it needs to be an RX590 8GB against a GTX1050TI 4GB,its better that they just don't bother,and let Nvidia all of the market.

Am glad someone gets it.

People really wanting a 590 for £150 or even £200 need to come back down from button moon it’s not going to happen unless you was a very special promo. To sell at such a price would simply bleed money and that would be very bad for AMD, if they don’t make a profit how long do people expect them to survive.

Maybe people forgot that as you have said they already have 570 8G at £159 and 580 8G at £199 which is incredible value, even more so when free games are included and it’s working for them.

 

[tommybhoy]

Because the HD4000/HD5000 series worked out,right?? People on large US forums pushing GTX960 cards over similarly priced R9 290 cards,says it all TBH.

The fact is if a £158 RX570 8GB which is 40% to 50% faster than a GTX1050TI 4GB,with three games including a major release(which cost £40 at that time),cheaper than a GTX1060 3GB,and with 5GB more VRAM,can't work and you think it needs to be an RX590 8GB against a GTX1050TI 4GB,its better that they just don't bother,and let Nvidia all of the market.

So basically you are saying AMD needs to be at least 60% faster SKU for SKU for anyone to consider them??

So using absurd logic,if AMD needs to compete with a GTX1050TI with an RX590,to compete with a GTX1060 needs to sell a Vega64 for the same price??

No wonder AMD decided to cut back on GPU development. This is not sustainable for any company in the tech industry longterm.

LOL.

They cut back coz no one wanted a sub standard GPU over the competition cat

People on forums don't sell these cards for NV/AMD cat, it's Joe blogs off the street that doesnt do forums sees a pp and goes for it.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Absolutely this.

I think Nvidia are ****s for what they did with the 2000 series but the fact remains, they have no competition at that level so can do what they want.

As you said, we need AMD to do something "game changing" to spice the market up a bit and to make Nvidia blink.

Nvidia have no competition and are the market leader so don't have to do anything. When one company has such a commanding lead in terms of performance, we have to pray that a competitor can bring something to the table that will make Nvidia rethink their pricing.

Again, i think Nvidia are ***** for releasing the 2000 series at price points above the current gen but they have zero competition in that bracket so if they think they can sell them at a given price, they will try.

They cut back coz no one wanted a sub standard GPU over the competition cat

People on forums don't sell these cards for NV/AMD cat, it's Joe blogs off the street that doesnt do forums sees a pp and goes for it.

So you want AMD to compete with a GTX1050TI 4GB,with a card 60% faster,double the VRAM and 3 AAA games?? 40% to 45% not enough then with an RX570 8GB??

So for AMD to compete with the GTX1060 6GB they need a Vega64 16GB with three AA games,at the same price.

Say that Nvidia pricing is poor,but they are totally fine with selling the GTX1060 and GTX1050TI cards at the current price due to being "market leader" ,and "unless" AMD sells an RX590 8GB with 3 games for £150,no one should buy an RX570/RX580 as they are overpriced I assume?

Am glad someone gets it.

People really wanting a 590 for £150 or even £200 need to come back down from button moon it’s not going to happen unless you was a very special promo. To sell at such a price would simply bleed money and that would be very bad for AMD, if they don’t make a profit how long do people expect them to survive.

Maybe people forgot that as you have said they already have 570 8G at £159 and 580 8G at £199 which is incredible value, even more so when free games are included and it’s working for them.

No its not even that Gibbo. I have seen it elsewhere. Certain people on forums say AMD "must" meet an XYZ scenario they know won't happen,and if they don't buy Nvidia.

It happened on US forums where people did the same and said a GTX960 was better value than an R9 290.

This is the case here,and they on purpose to keep pushing the GTX1050TI and GTX1060 want to bury the RX570/RX580 deals as "not enough".

My viewpoint if this what AMD is up against,I would rather they just stop making GPUs.

 

[Darujhistan]

Am glad someone gets it.

People really wanting a 590 for £150 or even £200 need to come back down from button moon it’s not going to happen unless you was a very special promo. To sell at such a price would simply bleed money and that would be very bad for AMD, if they don’t make a profit how long do people expect them to survive.

Maybe people forgot that as you have said they already have 570 8G at £159 and 580 8G at £199 which is incredible value, even more so when free games are included and it’s working for them.[/QUOTE

Right, so that means the 590 will be £250 right?

 

[Nexus18]

Meh, once again, where is the "real" <£300 upgrade for 290(x) users????

No doubt for people new to pc gaming, these are good deals but for existing users on 290/480/580/1060, it is ****.