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Cooper said:
Its like the PC has turned in to a fixed price, fixed spec console model.
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Yup, and it is why i am considering going over to consoles (something i never thought i would say). It used to be that you could rely on the previous generations top card being replaced by the next gens mid to high range card meaning you could pick up a great deal when a new generation came out.

Happened to every generation i can remember...until this one. Nvidia have ***** it up and AMD are just playing a long.
 
Jono8 said:
Yup, and it is why i am considering going over to consoles (something i never thought i would say). It used to be that you could rely on the previous generations top card being replaced by the next gens mid to high range card meaning you could pick up a great deal when a new generation came out.

Happened to every generation i can remember...until this one. Nvidia have ***** it up and AMD are just playing a long.
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That is a desperate move?
 
Xein said:
Between £250-£350.
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Jono8 said:
Yup, and it is why i am considering going over to consoles (something i never thought i would say). It used to be that you could rely on the previous generations top card being replaced by the next gens mid to high range card meaning you could pick up a great deal when a new generation came out.

Happened to every generation i can remember...until this one. Nvidia have ***** it up and AMD are just playing a long.
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The biggest short-coming of the current gen consoles are the CPU bottleneck of the Jaguar based processors, with it not hitting decent frame rate for online multiplayer games.

With Ryzen performing so well and AMD already hitting 7nm, the next gen console could well all (or most) people need without the never-ending moving goal-posts chasing.
 
People don't seem to be holding Nvidia to task with the GTX1050TI 4GB pricing which is terrible.

Apparently AMD "needs" to price the RX590 8GB at £150,ie,the GTX1050TI price. Then utterly ignores the RX570 8GB which is 40% to 45% faster,has double the VRAM,had three games including one worth £40,etc.

On top of this some of you are ignoring the number of RX580 4GB/8GB deals which popped up under £200 and a number with games,ie,RX580 cards for GTX1060 3GB money.

So how is not dropping prices,then?? Nvidia.

Its just another case of making up moving targets to justify Nvidia crap pricing,and to blame AMD for crap Nvidia pricing. Nothing is stopping Nvidia dropping their pricing.

So please tell me if AMD has a 40% to 45% faster card than a competitor,has as much or double the VRAM,adds games,etc and Nvidia still probably sells more of the much slower card,how is offer even more going to do anything.

LePhuronn said:
AMD need to do this, AMD need to do that.

Go design them a new market-shattering architecture then and sell the cards for peanuts if it's so easy...

I bet a fiver everybody who is crying about "rehasing Polaris" again would be even more vocal about AMD doing nothing until Navi. And then watch them continue to cry when Navi is around GTX 1080 performance.
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The fact is Nvidia currently is not doing anything about the sub £200 market let alone the sub £300 market.

The moment AMD pushes more deals,or even some sort of speed bump,they are the bad ones.

Not the "market leader". Why doesn't the market leader releases a faster card?? Oh,wait they don't need to at all.
 
Jono8 said:
Yup, and it is why i am considering going over to consoles (something i never thought i would say). It used to be that you could rely on the previous generations top card being replaced by the next gens mid to high range card meaning you could pick up a great deal when a new generation came out.
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Consoles still are, and will remain, an inferior experience, and only cheaper upfront not over the long term and only if you don't already have a desktop. Trust me, I've thought about it too but I have only to boot up the PS4 Pro and am quickly reminded of how much better PC is. And that's only counting gaming, let's not count everything else on desktop - which is more than plenty.

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
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Navi is going to be pointless methinks. The same lot will be moaning it costs too much,whilst ignoring the Nvidia cards which cost even more for similar performance.
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;) Ignore the herd, AMD has certainly learned this lesson hence they're focusing on HPC & Consoles. In the end, there's a good reason why marketing departments have overly large budgets and it's not 'cause people are rational. And if AMD wants to be in the driver's seat then that's something they'll have to invest in, and everyone else wanting to game on PC will just have to pay the big bucks to Nvidia or stick to the mid-range from AMD. It is what it is.
 
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Never said it's AMD's fault from the off, I said if AMD want to make an impact again in the GPU space they should...

Do you miss the obnoxious in regards to Nv's obnoxious pp.

Can you show me where I defend Nv's pricing like you think I have?

All your doing is using 'whining' for impact and going off on a tangent history lesson.

There is virgin buyer markets out there every year you know-that have never owned a gaming PC in their life and purchase off of marketing/pp's.

Discussing AMD making an impact isn't me saying Nv's pricing is Tony the tiger greeeeaaaatt.

And the using AMD to reduce Nv's pricing doesn't wash either(iff you coined that, you said that much idk anymore) so I'll add that too.

I had 290X CrossFire and dumped them during the 6 to 8 month silence on the driver front due to non working CrossFire and dodgy msaa support and downgraded to 970-directly because they wouldn't fix anything in that time frame, games were arriving thick and fast with no support.

Before that it was 7950 CrossFire.

Before that it was twin 6950's flashed to 70's in Crossfire.

Before that it was 5870, after a 4870 when AMD made GREAT gpu's.

I ran power bios 79 series threads in the stickies, ran 7950 bios tweaking threads back, ran the Mantle FreeSync thread so try and read what's in front of you and not what you've made your mind up that I'm saying, because you can't get any further than what I originally said.

So to be crystal clear-cut all I'm saying is:

If AMD want brand recognition/make an impact, cheaper no games as it's old tech, it didn't cost gazillions to develop./

Nothing on top that you think I'm saying that's it.
 
Poneros said:
Consoles still are, and will remain, an inferior experience, and only cheaper upfront not over the long term and only if you don't already have a desktop. Trust me, I've thought about it too but I have only to boot up the PS4 Pro and am quickly reminded of how much better PC is. And that's only counting gaming, let's not count everything else on desktop - which is more than plenty.
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The current consoles were crippled by their CPU choice.

PS5 & Xbox Two will not suffer from the same limitation. For the first time we'll have a console with both the CPU & GPU in balance, meaning 60fps will become the norm, not the exception.

It's likely we'll see an 8 core Zen 2 based APU (albeit clocked lower than desktop chips, probably in the 2-3GHZ range) with a 1080Ti level GPU and at least 16GB of GDDR6 RAM, That will be a potent mix when joined with all the usual console optimisations. Much better value than anything you'll get in PC land, given the current state of the PC gaming market.
 
Jono8 said:
I'm alright. I will continue complaining thanks as i am right.

Middling ~1060 performance released for the same price nearly 2.5 years later is, frankly, rubbish and nothing to get excited about.
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That's where the bulk of gamers are at though. Not everyone can afford a £400 upwards GPU. Mid range is where the buyers are. We're in a bubble here at OCUK forums. Almost a bubble within a bubble when you're looking at 2070 or Vega 64 users.
 
Cooper said:
It's likely we'll see an 8 core Zen 2 based APU (albeit clocked lower than desktop chips, probably in the 2-3GHZ range) with a 1080Ti level GPU and at least 16GB of GDDR6 RAM, That will be a potent mix when joined with all the usual console optimisations. Much better value than anything you'll get in PC land, given the current state of the PC gaming market.
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Optimal phrasing there being "current state of PC gaming market"... PS5/Xbox 2 aren't going to be available next week. They are both 18-24 months away from release (announcement/news will be sooner of course), but they won't be available until mid/late 2020. That's a LONG time in PC tech terms... we'll have moved on to next gen GPUs then, new CPUs, 144Hz 4K monitors etc. It's easy to look at the state of things today and see how attractive the next gen consoles would be in comparison, but by the time we get our hands on them, everything will be different and have moved on several steps. Always the way.
 
Legend said:
Optimal phrasing there being "current state of PC gaming market"... PS5/Xbox 2 aren't going to be available next week. They are both 18-24 months away from release (announcement/news will be sooner of course), but they won't be available until mid/late 2020. That's a LONG time in PC tech terms... we'll have moved on to next gen GPUs then, new CPUs, 144Hz 4K monitors etc. It's easy to look at the state of things today and see how attractive the next gen consoles would be in comparison, but by the time we get our hands on them, everything will be different and have moved on several steps. Always the way.
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Good point.
 
yes the 470/570/480/580 seem good value with the limited time bundle but try and pick up an AMD card in the height of the mining boom it made nVidia cards look somewhat reasonable.

Edit: One could actually buy the nVidia cards, AMD on the other hand...
 
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tommybhoy said:
If AMD want brand recognition/make an impact, cheaper no games as it's old tech, it didn't cost gazillions to develop.
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We don't know how much it cost to develop - yes it's still a die shrunk 480/580, but how much does the shrinking/respin, validation/testing cost for that process? How much are Global charging for 12nm wafers? What is the yield like etc?

AMD Still need to maximize revenue from whatever GPUs they are selling - dropping a 590 to £150 just because that's what a few people think it should be, isn't going to financially sustainable. Bundling some games that they can negotiate a decent "deal" on, means they can add value to a bundle without taking as much of a hit.

Price drops on RX570/RX580 are indirectly going to help the lower end of the market (e.g. by making AMD's not very good RX560, and the 2GB 1050 cards a very unattractive option).
Whether RX570/RX580 price drops and stock is sustainable (e.g. maybe they are still producing 14nm parts to fulfill contracts at a very good price now), or whether they are simply being subsidised until stock runs out will be the issue.
 
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