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There's expensive and then there's mind-boggling, funnily enough there's 10+ in stock. You can buy a Vega 56 for another £20!
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There's expensive and then there's mind-boggling, funnily enough there's 10+ in stock. You can buy a Vega 56 for another £20!
Said it before but even when they sold standard reference cards with their sticker on the card they also charged more. It's baffling how they got away with that.
Caporegime
You are literally saying AMD needs to have a 60% faster card at £150 than the equivalent Nvidia one. £200 I could understand,but £150? You on purpose ignored the fact the RX570 is 40% to 45% faster than a GTX1050TI 4GB with double the VRAM,loads of games,etc. On US forums people were making up some weird arguments,and somehow justified the GTX960 instead of an R9 290,ie,it need to be X percent faster to justify buying an AMD card and the R9 290 was not faster enough.
Apparently 40% to 45% isn't enough,or having faster RX580 4GB/8GB cards with game bundles under £200(which you seem to be utterly not aware off),against the GTX1060 3GB.
If £150 to £200 RX570/RX580 4GB/8GB cards can't cause a dent in sales of the GTX1050TI 4GB and GTX1060 3GB,how is an RX590 8GB at £150 going to do anything??
Then trying to imply AMD is doing the same as Nvidia,well recently they seem to be offering more than Nvidia between £100 to £200. This was even the case in late 2016.
At least AMD in a flawed way is bringing much better value between £100 to £200 than Nvidia,who CBA and at least they are doing something under £300. Where is Nvidia - yes we know. They will milk the GTX1060 for months more at the SAME price,and eventually will push out a £300 to £350 GTX2060 which will be GTX1070 level for GTX1070 level pricing.
The GTX2050TI will be RX580 to RX590 level but will be amazing at £200 to £300.
Then they will probably offer a £150 to £200 GTX2050 which is slightly slower than an RX470/RX570 and more expensive and everyone will be going on how amazing that performance uplift is gen to gen but totally forget the pricing! Oh and it will be all the fault of AMD.
Anyway CBA argueing with you anymore.
Ignore the herd, AMD has certainly learned this lesson hence they're focusing on HPC & Consoles. In the end, there's a good reason why marketing departments have overly large budgets and it's not 'cause people are rational. And if AMD wants to be in the driver's seat then that's something they'll have to invest in, and everyone else wanting to game on PC will just have to pay the big bucks to Nvidia or stick to the mid-range from AMD. It is what it is.
I never knew AMD had such a stigma attached to their GPUs until now. I honestly hope Intel can have something competitive in the next few years. It looks like AMD can't compete when the stigma is so strong they need to offer upto 60% more performance for anyone to consider them at the same price.
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Isn't this the 5th mid range card with similar performance and similar price.
I want between vega56 and vega64 performance ( minus the hbm ) for £300.
Not 290/390/480/580 performance for £279.
This just needs to be a better performer than it is.
I want between vega56 and vega64 performance ( minus the hbm ) for £300.
Not 290/390/480/580 performance for £279.
This just needs to be a better performer than it is.
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People were expecting 10% over a 580, so 20% is reasonable impressive unless you're expecting a clear upgrade over a 290x. In which case you simply need to stump up Vega 56/1070 cash or be happy with what you've got. But if this manages to be bang in between the 580/Vega56 it's a good option if it goes sub £250, 20% more card for 25% more cos (with a 580 costing £200) isn't too shabby. At £300 I'd imagine most would want to go for a Vega 56.
Aren't some of those are Nvidia friendly games too? Fortnight, PUBG and Overwatch are.
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Those results are pretty impressive, but as always i'm going to wait for benchmarks from other sources.
Soldato
No it doesn't, the problem lies with the market leader, rather than a competitor who is unable to match the high end performance.
If Nvidia pulled their finger out, and priced a GTX 1070 performing card at £250 which is what should have happened 6 months ago, then you'd have a £300 Vega 56 type card now.
Sadly Nvidia are taking advantage (the wee-wee) of the customers who buy a card for playing games, and will continue to do so for as long as people part with their cash for (in literal terms) less FPS per £ spent than ever before.
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I've just bought a 570 and it has only just come into the £160 zone after being closer to £200 in the past. The 1050TI has the benefit that you can put it in an old system with a weak PSU and it can transform the system. Where as you'd need a new PSU if you did that with a 570.
Honestly if AMD came out with a card that was twice as fast and half the price of an Nvidia offering some people here would still find a way to criticise AMD and recommend the Nvidia card! As the market leader Nvidia routinely overprice and underdeliver because they can. Then all AMD need to do is offer similar performance at a slightly cheaper price.
Caporegime
But the issue is that a PSU capable of running a RX570 can be had for £35. There were slower RX470 4GB cards for £160 back in late 2016 too,and £160 RX570 4GB in early 2017,but none came with any games,since me and my mates did a number of builds. Plus even a few months ago,there were deals for RX580 4GB cards for £190 to £200. So despite this the GTX1050TI sold more,even in situations where people had a reasonable PSU. It goes back to what I saw on US forums with the EOL R9 290 cards,and people pushing GTX960 cards on an enthusiast forums.
The fact is if you look a GTX1050TI 4GB for £140 to £150,it can be like 45% slower in newer titles. So if you ended up with a £160 RX570 and a £35 PSU,its still cheaper overall in FPS/£.
Edit!!
I reviewed a pre-overclocked RX470(the Powercolor Red Devil),and in a system with a Core i7 the highest power draw I saw at the wall was around 240W,which is probably around a 220W internal load on my PSU.
So even an older(but good design) 450W PSU would suffice.
These people get it!! When Nvidia released the 8800GT they didn't need to price it so well. ATI couldn't compete with the HD2000 series let alone the HD3000 series.
Who knows,maybe Nvidia will drop prices or give us GTX1070 level performance under £300 with the GTX2060.
We will see.
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Soldato
I dont know what all the fuss is about and why you are all getting your knickers in a twist for a 1080p card...
who plays at 1080p?
2080ti owners play bf5 ray traced at 1080p.
1070 still faster AFAIK. This is more to compete with the 1060 6GB.
Don
15-20% slower than a 1070 imo (based on current information)
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1070 is somewhere around 40% faster than 1060 6GB - this is intended to fit somewhere between
Many thanks. Having just bought a 1070 (still sealed) and after seeing that game bundle I felt a cold sweat upon my brow.
Caporegime
Well looks like WCCFTech got it right after 2 years - the "beast mode" RX480 is out.
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So a gtx1060 6gb can be had for around £230
A 1070 costs 400 ish.
The 590 is going to slot between them in terms of price and performance?
A 1070 costs 400 ish.
The 590 is going to slot between them in terms of price and performance?
Caporegime
This how it is looking:
1.)£140 to £150 GTX1050TI 4GB
2.)£150 to £180 RX570 4GB/8GB
3.)£180+ GTX1060 3GB
4.)£190+ RX580 4GB/8GB
5.)£230+ GTX1060 6GB(comes with a game at some retailers)
6.)£250+ RX590 8GB(comes with three games)
7.)£350+ GTX1070/Vega56
At every price level under £300 AMD is undercutting Nvidia,or offering a bit better price/performance.
Hilariously the Vega56 and Vega64 cards seem a bit more closer matched in terms of price/performance to the Nvidia cards,but did come with more games.
Maybe if people want a bigger jump,they need to wait for AMD/Nvidia to both move to 7NM.
Perhaps Nvidia might decide to drop a faster than GTX1060 card under £300 as a response? It used to be the case,but I dunno now.
I actually thought the GDDR5X GTX1060 would be that,but apparently not. We might have to see how the GTX2060 is like.
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