1984 Arrives

Begbie said:
Meh, I've nothing to hide.
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Good God, there really are people this stupid. You must be in like, the bottom percentile or something surely? Jesus

Nobody has anything to hide. Yet the government still want to stick their noses up your ass and their eyes under your bed covers (i'm going for an extended metaphor here).

Have you got anything to hide when you're ****ing your wife? Would you mind if they installed a camera in your room?
 
Wait, slow down everyone! I'm usually the first to jump down the throats of the government when they try and pass daft Internet laws but this one isn't as bad as it sounds. It's not a 1984 style constant monitoring... it's monitoring after GCHQ has applied for a warrant, much like 'wire-tapping'.

Therefore they'll need reasonable cause otherwise the judge will throw out the request. Now of course mistakes will be made and we'll eventually hear the odd story about an operator spying on his ex's Facebook activity, but on the whole they'll at least need an inkling that you're a nefarious terrorist before they bother to eavesdrop on you.

Edit: I'd still vote/protest against it anyway given the chance, as I don't believe in our government's ability not to screw it up somehow.
 
exhashdotdot said:
Good God, there really are people this stupid. You must be in like, the bottom percentile or something surely? Jesus

Nobody has anything to hide. Yet the government still want to stick their noses up your ass and their eyes under your bed covers (i'm going for an extended metaphor here).

Have you got anything to hide when you're ****ing your wife? Would you mind if they installed a camera in your room?
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Some people have things to hide. I bet 90% of the users in this very forum have things to hide.
 
SiD the Turtle said:
Therefore they'll need reasonable cause otherwise the judge will throw out the request. Now of course mistakes will be made and we'll eventually hear the odd story about an operator spying on his ex's Facebook activity, but on the whole they'll at least need an inkling that you're a nefarious terrorist before they bother to eavesdrop on you.
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As stupid as it sounds, it makes me glad to be an atheist white male in his 20s.
 
Makes me wonder if they broke the enigma code in the 40s then i dread to think what secret secret organization can do now.Anyway i thought every bit going in and out of your pc was already logged recorded profiled from day one.
 
SiD the Turtle said:
Wait, slow down everyone! I'm usually the first to jump down the throats of the government when they try and pass daft Internet laws but this one isn't as bad as it sounds. It's not a 1984 style constant monitoring... it's monitoring after GCHQ has applied for a warrant, much like 'wire-tapping'.
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it's warrentless tracking then a warrent to read contents.
 
mrbell1984 said:
That's my point. The people who have nothing to hide don't have a problem.
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That is the oldest of arguments used by police estates. I got many things to hide, I do not want my intellectual property/research to be spied on, or who I am negotiating a new business with, I do not want my conversations with my wife to be listened to, or the ones with my family (it is nobody's business). I do not want anyone to know if my best friends is having a rough time ... etc, etc, etc.

These laws are intrusive, and in the wrong hands, i.e. corrupt politicians/police/officials they could cause a lot of harm, full stop.

And the US have already done something much worst:

http://bigthink.com/endless-innovation/we-just-built-skynet-in-the-desert-now-what

Forget about the skynet idiocy, anyone with a little bit of knowledge in information mining strategies can get to know a lot from you.
 
exhashdotdot said:
Good God, there really are people this stupid. You must be in like, the bottom percentile or something surely? Jesus

Nobody has anything to hide. Yet the government still want to stick their noses up your ass and their eyes under your bed covers (i'm going for an extended metaphor here).

Have you got anything to hide when you're ****ing your wife? Would you mind if they installed a camera in your room?
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Yes because I can imagine someone is going to sit there and listen into me pumping my wife. Or listen into every personal conversation that I have.

Stop being so god damn paranoid.
 
Begbie said:
Yes because I can imagine someone is going to sit there and listen into me pumping my wife. Or listen into every personal conversation that I have.

Stop being so god damn paranoid.
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In the future it's pretty inevitable that TV's will have cameras built into them, are you saying you wouldn't mind if the government had warrantless powers to tap into that camera and watch/listen to you at any time?
 
Tbh most of the stuff in question probably already goes on secretly anyway. I know a lad in the army who was told that the Russians listen in to every conversation and link voices to a number in a database. He's not the first person I've heard this from either.
 
Begbie said:
Meh, I've nothing to hide.
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mrbell1984 said:
That's my point. The people who have nothing to hide don't have a problem.
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Surely you don't mind if we come and rummage about your house, in principle that's the natural progression.

Where do we stop? There's no point going to the huge expense of monitoring only part of the many ways of commincating without scanning post 'just in case' or sticking a camera in your front room... Over exaggerated examples, but only different to this in their implementation, by monitoring your private communication and activity.

Because of course it's not that you do not have anything to hide, it's the presumed expectation that you infact do and potentially could, and we need to monitor your every move just in case.

What's the point of expensive surveillance systems that have gaps in them? Terrorism will find a way around it, crime will find a way around it so you're left with a government automatically suspicious of its 60m citizens, monitoring their private communication and every move online under the guise of 'protection'.
 
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