1984 Arrives

Soldiers dying for foreign peoples freedoms in far away lands whilst they're being steadily stripped at home, you couldn't make it up.
 
kibblerok said:
Not to forget the warrant to read our emails & texts and listen to our calls for posting on the same thread as a person labelled a 'security threat' ;)

I'm half expecting some sort of event that helps push this through, bets on dawn raids on cyber terrorists or those downloading illegal porn in the coming weeks?
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I am wondering if there is something very big expected for this summer, and such actions are quickly being rushed into place simply so ISPs won't whinge and cry regarding privacy, thus forcing them into the corner and leaving their customers in no uncertain terms that the ISPs are not at fault.

If it doesn't reveal content, and only states who is contacting who, for how long, and how often, then it isn't as bad as I initially assumed.
If they do need a warrant to actually read content, then privacy is initially preserved.

Also with regards the action GCHQ are unlikely to be ordered to investigate filesharing, movie downloads, and the sort of things that the RIAA will push for, and having not particular desire for any terrorist activities myself, nor visiting websites which sub/ascribe to such activities I am most unlikely to be red flagged by their system.

What I would be interested to know, is just how big the hole in the intelligence GCHQ has, and just how big a hole thsi law change will fill for them. I know in the case of Northern Irish terrorism for years it was the case that most sides knew who on the other side was doing what (within reason) but it was proving the case. With current fundamentalism, one wonders is the hole in intelligence so gaping that they need such measures as asking ISPs who chats with who, and how often and who goes to what websites to determine who might be a potential threat?

If this is the case it is rather worrying, one wonders just wtf GCHQ are actually at most of the time.

I thought such websites were already watched for who is visiting etc.
 
How would this work by the way? The met only has what, 50,000 people? Yet there's millions of phone calls, emails, text messages and faxes sent every day. I would love to know how these people will pull it off. I'd love to be in the room where the poor coppers have to sift through millions of messages about stupid things like mummy's garden gnomes or teenage tampon problems or what to have for dinner tomorrow just to find dem terrists.

What a dumb idea. It can't be pulled off. Good luck trying to read everything everyone sends all the time, it is physically impossible.
 
Good to see the ratio of "It doesn't affect me, derp" idiots to actual sensible people is quite low on these forums. I'll be emailing my representatives and taking part in any London rallies against this.
 
What stopping certain people sending emails containing virus/spyware, as i doubt the lackeys they'll hirer to dig through the suspect emails will be computer fluent, espicailly to fake attachments?
 
KNiVES said:
How would this work by the way? The met only has what, 50,000 people? Yet there's millions of phone calls, emails, text messages and faxes sent every day. I would love to know how these people will pull it off. I'd love to be in the room where the poor coppers have to sift through millions of messages about stupid things like mummy's garden gnomes or teenage tampon problems or what to have for dinner tomorrow just to find dem terrists.

What a dumb idea. It can't be pulled off. Good luck trying to read everything everyone sends all the time, it is physically impossible.
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Well this is where technology comes in, things like products from the like of Narus.

As has been said, the capability to do this is already there and in place, it's legal bits and bobs that I would think this aims to get round to make it easier for authorities to legally do this to someone.
 
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"What this is talking about doing is not focusing on terrorists or criminals, it's absolutely everybody's emails, phone calls, web access..."
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This isn't about terrorists or other serious criminals, they will find it trivial to avoid being logged, it's about the authorities having powers to investigate much more mundane crimes. Today it's about GCHQ, tomorrow it will be your local council.
 
Abraxaz1 said:
doubt they'll store probaly filter emails for certain key words and store those.


in that case: terror, bomb, explosive, president of the united states, underpants, airplane, allah.
think thats enough to get me a nice comfy room for the week
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Did you remember the nuclear weapon from Iran? Mullah Omar says you're late.
 
You really would think it were fiction, that the biggest terrorist organizations on earth, are the very ones that are implementing 'anti-terrorist' protocols left, right and center in order to detract public attention away from their own crimes.
 
KNiVES said:
How would this work by the way? The met only has what, 50,000 people? Yet there's millions of phone calls, emails, text messages and faxes sent every day. I would love to know how these people will pull it off. I'd love to be in the room where the poor coppers have to sift through millions of messages about stupid things like mummy's garden gnomes or teenage tampon problems or what to have for dinner tomorrow just to find dem terrists.

What a dumb idea. It can't be pulled off. Good luck trying to read everything everyone sends all the time, it is physically impossible.
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I imagine they have racks of servers scanning numerous things at once. Anything that is flagged up/shows a pattern is passed onto an analyst, ala Bourne Ultimatum.
Infact, don't our/American security services already monitor calls and texts on the hush? It just wouldn't be usable in a proper court setting without prior consent from a judge? This will enable them to do it in the open.

Come on Lords and/or EU, help us out here!
 
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