2,000 migrants tried to enter channel tunnel last night!

[Boycey0211]

The genius thinks they'll automatically integrate into our society after living a life of poverty and desolation in Africa.

That's not how any of this works, and is exactly why they can have tendencies to bring crime to an area.

Sorry having a hard time keeping up, was that the one??

If so I posted a link again a few pages back that got ignored on how immigration doesn't correlate with an increased crime rate.

Also I'm not asking for integration, plus who said they were all from africa.

Its tough work going over the same ground every 2 pages

 

[robfosters]

Are you saying just because someone who's an immigrant should have to live on the streets even though they may have more need?

Yes. British people come first. Us and our families are the ones who have been putting into the system for well over a hundred years. All of them will say they put in to help their own in times of need, not economic migrants.

 

[Boycey0211]

If they're not sent straight back to Calais then we pretty much are importing them!




Oh come on, quite a few of those who don't have a real case will have had passports and thrown them away before they head over here because they know it lessens the chance of deportation (if not making it impossible).

Well no, because otherwise we'd have sent a boat to go and fetch them....



It doesnt make it impossible at all and yes I'd agree that some of them don't have a genuine case

 

[Vidar]

The naivety, is palpable.

Both industries couldn't give a ****, they profit or do nothing, lets go into the motions of what a big fat profit minded agricultural giant does.

It invents a GM crop that must be used with a very specific company made concoction of sprays to keep the local wildlife from eating the crops, all well and good until you realise the farmers are now forced to only rear this single crop forever as the costs, are just enough to stop them from moving off.

Eventually the biodiversity starts dropping, the GM crop starts failing as pests grow resilience, but hey, there's this...new GM crop now, just pay $$$.

Of course a little bit further into the future and yields of none GM crops fall to a pittance as the pests resilience to the modified crop basically makes it immune to normal fertilizer.

Congrats you enslaved a generation of farmers into subservience to the one true god, Monsanto.

Who's naivety, mine or yours?

See the funny thing is yes I agree that is what normally happens and I'm not saying it doesn't. However with enough political pressure and say some exemption from the increase made to corporation tax that is sorely needed well I'm pretty sure the agricultural industry may actually come through.

But even if they do use the GM crops you talk about, this still produces a damn site more food than subsistence farming.

 

[Tephnos]

Sorry having a hard time keeping up, was that the one??

If so I posted a link again a few pages back that got ignored on how immigration doesn't correlate with an increased crime rate.

Also I'm not asking for integration, plus who said they were all from africa.

Its tough work going over the same ground every 2 pages

Probably because you'll need more evidence than that.

Again, let me spell it out for you. If I grew up in those situations would anyone here expect me to be able to live a normal life like everyone else, that psychologically I'd be completely fine?

No way in hell, so why do you expect these migrants to do that? Have you bothered to look at the stats on crime and rape in Sweden, where the problem is extremely bad and appears to have correlation in rise of migrants?

 

[teaboy5]

And if it didn't work I'd tell you so and admit I was wrong.

I'd rather atleast try that than put 2000 people to death because I'm angry that my takes have paid for a travelodge prior to them earning a living.

It's not about the money at all. In fact we all know if this all stopped tomorrow the money saved would be ****ed away on some BS government project.

 

[Boycey0211]

Us and our families are the ones who have been putting into the system for well over a hundred years.

Not all of us haven't, and I'd quite happily swap out those that have claimed the dole and smoked weed for their entire lives, you know the ones, the ones that moan about them 'taking our jerbz' while making no effort to find one

 

[robfosters]

Not all of us haven't, and I'd quite happily swap out those that have claimed the dole and smoked weed for their entire lives, you know the ones, the ones that moan about them 'taking our jerbz' while making no effort to find one

That's how you start to lose your national identity.

 

[Vidar]

Yes. British people come first. Us and our families are the ones who have been putting into the system for well over a hundred years. All of them will say they put in to help their own in times of need, not economic migrants.

So you're saying that a native British person who is single, has no children and has other options for accommodation is more deserving than an immigrant from any continent who has a wife and children and otherwise would have to sleep on the streets with said children? And all because millions of people you don't know have been paying money into a system that is supposed to help those most in need and these people haven't been in a position to?

If I was asked to give up my one bedroom flat, in order to allow a homeless family to make use of it no matter where they where from and I didn't have my kids to think about... I would, I have friends and family I could stay with.

 

[Boycey0211]

Probably because you'll need more evidence than that.

Again, let me spell it out for you. If I grew up in those situations would anyone here expect me to be able to live a normal life like everyone else, that psychologically I'd be completely fine?

No way in hell, so why do you expect these migrants to do that? Have you bothered to look at the stats on crime and rape in Sweden, where the problem is extremely bad and appears to have correlation in rise of migrants?

Well so far the only evidence of any kind for any point of view put across in this thread has been posted by me since ive been commenting (other that DM articles)

Second point, psychologically no you probably wouldn't be alright, does that mean you immediately run around raping everything? If you can link me to some figures then I'll accept that it has increased in Sweden, but thats irrelevant to the stats I posted for the UK, as per this discussion

It's not about the money at all. In fact we all know if this all stopped tomorrow the money saved would be ****ed away on some BS government project.

That wasn't aimed at you, more the other posters who are up in arms over the cost of a travelodge room vs someones life. And yeah it'd just disappear anyway

 

[robfosters]

If I was asked to give up my one bedroom flat, in order to allow a homeless family to make use of it no matter where they where from and I didn't have my kids to think about... I would, I have friends and family I could stay with.

Utter rubbish. You've embarrassed yourself there. If that's the case why aren't you down the council volunteering it now?

 

[Boycey0211]

That's how you start to lose your national identity.

What I want to identify as a lazy ****less unmotivated moron? No thanks

 

[Narj]

That's how you start to lose your national identity.

Some people I know in my area annoy me by being "benefits street" types, but their parents did work, and as much as I dislike their lifestyle choices, they're still part of my local community. I'd certainly not want to ship them out and replace them with someone I didn't know.

Despite them being lazy, they've still done me and others favours (I trusted them with my house keys while getting building work done and didn't get robbed). Community means a lot, even if there are some idiots.

 

[cainer]

this thread has just become a circular argument, i cba to read anymore of it.

 

[Tephnos]

Well so far the only evidence of any kind for any point of view put across in this thread has been posted by me since ive been commenting (other that DM articles)

Second point, psychologically no you probably wouldn't be alright, does that mean you immediately run around raping everything? If you can link me to some figures then I'll accept that it has increased in Sweden, but thats irrelevant to the stats I posted for the UK, as per this discussion



That wasn't aimed at you, more the other posters who are up in arms over the cost of a travelodge room vs someones life. And yeah it'd just disappear anyway

So you'll dismiss relevant evidence from a country which HAS a huge migrant problem, which the UK is heading towards, because it's not about the UK?

Oh boy.

And if you don't understand the psychological impact and think they won't cause problems (sure, some won't. The vast minority) then you need your head re-screwed on.

 

[Vidar]

That's how you start to lose your national identity.

What you mean our national identity being that of a nation built of Immigrants over a few thousand years, y'know like the Romans, Vikings etc or is that okay because they were mostly European or that it was centuries ago and well things just aren't the same now?

 

[Narj]

What you mean our national identity being that of a nation built of Immigrants over a few thousand years, y'know like the Romans, Vikings etc or is that okay because they were mostly European or that it was centuries ago and well things just aren't the same now?

Ah you mean those invasions?

Slightly different scenarios.

EDIT: can't be bothered.

 

[robfosters]

or is that okay because they were mostly European or that it was centuries ago and well things just aren't the same now?

Yes. That was over a 1000 years ago.

 

[Boycey0211]

So you'll dismiss relevant evidence from a country which HAS a huge migrant problem, which the UK is heading towards, because it's not about the UK?

Oh boy.

And if you don't understand the psychological impact and think they won't cause problems (sure, some won't. The vast minority) then you need your head re-screwed on.

1. At least link me to the bloody information you have in the first place!!

2. Theres no evidence to suggest it happening here YET and believe it or not migrants have been coming here for a while now, I'm not saying it won't be an issue.

3. At the same time you say that you quote vast minorities, proof please?

C'mon dude at least give me a chance! You cant demand evidence then back your own point up with nothing!

 

[Vidar]

Utter rubbish. You've embarrassed yourself there. If that's the case why aren't you down the council volunteering it now?

Well Rob it's not hard to work out, well maybe it is for some but because I have my kids to think about and they need somewhere to stay when they're with me. See that's called common sense, something very much lacking in what you've said here.