2005 United States Grand Prix

KiNgPiN83 · 19 Jun 2005 at 19:36

You wouldve thought the tyres would be rated to a speed a lot higher than what the cars are capable of, that way there would be less chance of something going wrong with them. Couldnt ralf schumachers tyre the other day just've been a fluke? or even something on the track? or were other teams experiancing similar things?

//Mike · 19 Jun 2005 at 19:37

I hope they interview Flib!

gord · 19 Jun 2005 at 19:37

On another note, while i understand it is not the Bridgestone teams faults, and Michelin should be punished - which they will be, not only by their teams not winning any points but by Corporate image, what does it say about the Bridgestone teams that they decide to keep running?

We all saw Jean Todt smirk at his pitt wall...these teams only discredit themselves further by acting as if it is still a race and that they did not know what the michelin teams would do.

xyphic · 19 Jun 2005 at 19:38

cymatty said:
Not really they would have used 6-7 sets of tyres which would be silly, also they did not know when the tyres would fail. You also cant cant just change the rules, would cause no end of problems.

Rules can always be changed, providing there's a good enough reason to do so (see the example above about UEFA changing the rules to allow Liverpool into the Champions League next season). There was a need to determine which course of action would result in the least damage to F1 as a sport, and nobody was willing to do that. It seems that once again, the teams (and promotors) were only thinking about themselves.

By only having 6 cars out there, the result for F1 is far worse than putting in a chicane or allowing new tyres to be used. The North American market (where, let's be honest, Bernie and co. are looking for a lot of money to come from) is now going to be completely disillusioned with the sport and it's likely that this is the last Indianapolis GP we'll see for a while.

Over Clocker · 19 Jun 2005 at 19:38

Just look at those empty stands

//Mike · 19 Jun 2005 at 19:38

At the end of the day, the points are more important for the Bridgeston teams rather than the spectacle... in the short run.

Over Clocker · 19 Jun 2005 at 19:39

Upside down camera lol

goreblast · 19 Jun 2005 at 19:39

mmj_uk said:
I hope the crowd get the last laugh by invading the track and stopping the race, despite that being very dangerous.

What a stupid thing to say!

cymatty · 19 Jun 2005 at 19:40

xyphic said:
Rules can always be changed, providing there's a good enough reason to do so (see the example above about UEFA changing the rules to allow Liverpool into the Champions League next season). There was a need to determine which course of action would result in the least damage to F1 as a sport, and nobody was willing to do that. It seems that once again, the teams (and promotors) were only thinking about themselves.

By only having 6 cars out there, the result for F1 is far worse than putting in a chicane or allowing new tyres to be used. The North American market (where, let's be honest, Bernie and co. are looking for a lot of money to come from) is now going to be completely disillusioned with the sport and it's likely that this is the last Indianapolis GP we'll see for a while.

Rules can be changed, and i agree there is a bigger picture however why should Bridgestone runners suffer?

FC1983 · 19 Jun 2005 at 19:40

Over Clocker said:
lol, the F1 website is down

back up now

vanpeebles · 19 Jun 2005 at 19:41

//Mike said:
At the end of the day, the points are more important for the Bridgeston teams rather than the spectacle... in the short run.

surely the main aim is to provide entertainment

Type_R · 19 Jun 2005 at 19:41

//Mike said:
At the end of the day, the points are more important for the Bridgeston teams rather than the spectacle... in the short run.

As someone pointed out if Bridgestone had made the same mistake, the race would have gone ahead.

mmj_uk · 19 Jun 2005 at 19:42

KiNgPiN83 said:
You wouldve thought the tyres would be rated to a speed a lot higher than what the cars are capable of, that way there would be less chance of something going wrong with them. Couldnt ralf schumachers tyre the other day just've been a fluke? or even something on the track? or were other teams experiancing similar things?

It is the 9 degree banking and high speed that puts extra strain on the outside of the tyre, Michelin haven't tested under such conditions by the looks of it.

gord · 19 Jun 2005 at 19:42

KiNgPiN83 said:
You wouldve thought the tyres would be rated to a speed a lot higher than what the cars are capable of, that way there would be less chance of something going wrong with them. Couldnt ralf schumachers tyre the other day just've been a fluke? or even something on the track? or were other teams experiancing similar things?

There were about 9 tyre failures with Michelins over practicing and qualifying. Too many to be called any sort of one-off. As you may or may not know, Formula 1 cars are / and have been built for a long time to just go the distance. Only now with these new rules such as the engine changes and tyres has this aspect changed. You cannot blame the rule changes, if anything the racing has been most exciting this year than many of the previous. Of course there is some buffer with the tyres in terms of endurance and how long they can actually race for, but to extend this endurance overly far without an actual rule would seriously compromise performance.

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//Mike · 19 Jun 2005 at 19:43

vanpeebles said:
surely the main aim is to provide entertainment

In the long term, yes. Exposure of the sport increases potential investors and sponsors, so you are correct. However, I'm sure Jean Todt is sitting smug on the pit wall with the knowledge of 18 (free) points for Ferrari.

Over Clocker · 19 Jun 2005 at 19:43

Schumacher may have possible left rear tyre wear problems

goreblast · 19 Jun 2005 at 19:44

No he wasnt James.

xyphic · 19 Jun 2005 at 19:44

cymatty said:
Rules can be changed, and i agree there is a bigger picture however why should Bridgestone runners suffer?

They shouldn't. It's not just the Bridgestone teams that are at fault for spoiling the race. It could still have gone ahead with an alternative points allocation system (e.g. giving the Bridgestone runners the first six places, depending on the order they finish in the race) whilst still giving the spectators something to enjoy.

cymatty · 19 Jun 2005 at 19:44

Over Clocker said:
Schumacher may have possible left rear tyre wear problems

If it is dangerous it can be changed though.

Over Clocker · 19 Jun 2005 at 19:45

cymatty said:
If it is dangerous it can be changed though.

Aye, would smack of irony though