2008 Belgian GP - Race 13/18

Yerman · 8 Sep 2008 at 11:50

MTA99 said:
If Lewis had followed Kimi on the racing line through the chicane he'd have been in a better position coming out of it having the whole pit straight to slipstream and out brake him.

I don't agree with that at all, if this was true there would be a lot more overtaking in F1! If you follow another car through the corner on the same line you are always going to be several car lengths behind because the car infront can get on the gas earlier.

It's very unlikely Hamilton would have been close enough to slipstream if he took the corner properly.

Glaucus · 8 Sep 2008 at 11:52

TheStig1 said:
yes there is rules about using the race track lol
he used a corner cut to to gain a position just like he did in france
maybe he should learn the rules and grow up?
had he not cut the corner he would be nowhere near to kimi into turn 1 kimi had defended his line and lewis would have lost time if he never cut the corner

So how about when KR used the run of on the straight for several laps on purpose. He didn't even need to use it as there was more traction.

In every other race, if you miss a corner ALL you have to do is yeild the position and get back on it. This is a travesty..

utajoker · 8 Sep 2008 at 11:55

is there any update on the apeal?

Yerman · 8 Sep 2008 at 11:56

PinkFloyd said:
He would have. Did you not notice he was right on Kimi's backside coming into the chicane. If he hadn't tried the move, had stayed on kimi and followed him through, he would have slipstreamed him down the full straight (rather than having to do a 1/3 of it not on full throttle) and beat Kimi into La Source anyway.

I did notice this, however the straight before the chicane is considerably longer than the straight before La Source. Not to mention that it's more difficult to get close to a car coming out of a chicane. How many overtaking moves did you see at La Source during the race?

gord · 8 Sep 2008 at 11:59

Yerman said:
It's very unlikely Hamilton would have been close enough to slipstream if he took the corner properly.

He didnt slipstream anyway. And if the telemetry shows what McLaren says it does then we will see Hamilton doesnt have full throttle on until after Kimi, akin to coming out of the corner.

Rybo89 · 8 Sep 2008 at 12:04

Just been told about LH getting his deserved 1st place took off of him, ****ing disgusting, if anyone needs investigating its the FIA the dodgy bias ****er's

Masterdog · 8 Sep 2008 at 12:13

utajoker said:
is there any update on the apeal?

Can't remember where I read it (might have been on here), but I heard it probably won't be resolved until after Monza (this weekend) and maybe not before Singapore.

MTA99 · 8 Sep 2008 at 12:20

Yerman said:
I don't agree with that at all, if this was true there would be a lot more overtaking in F1! If you follow another car through the corner on the same line you are always going to be several car lengths behind because the car infront can get on the gas earlier.

It's very unlikely Hamilton would have been close enough to slipstream if he took the corner properly.

You're confusing two issues here. The first is aerodynamic effect of following in another cars wake, the second is the apparent increase in time to the car in front as the speed increases.

The aerodynamics play a much greater role in the high speed corners, the chicane is low speed. I'll conceed that he might have lost some time due to reduced grip behind Kimi but he'd still be in the right place for a tow up to the first corner.

deko · 8 Sep 2008 at 12:30

Just another point im throwing out there.

Can anybody remember this from monaco this year? Kimi crashing into the back of sutil, Sutil not being able to continue but Kimi didnt get a penalty? Fast forward to spa, where heikki gets into the back of webber, very little damage done and webber can continue, but heikki gets a drive through? how does that work, then?

deko · 8 Sep 2008 at 13:05

frakker said:
Because Kimi's shunt into Sutil was a racing incident (lost control in the wet) and Heikki was clumsy yesterday and could have prevented going into the side of Webber?

heikki lost control on a wet part of the track aswell, both were as unintentional as each other, its not like heikki wanted to just crash into webber for a laugh.

el_dazza · 8 Sep 2008 at 13:12

deko said:
heikki lost control on a wet part of the track aswell, both were as unintentional as each other, its not like heikki wanted to just crash into webber for a laugh.

I think Heikki's was more avoidable tbh. Kimi lost his car under braking miles from the corner, the back end stepped out, and there was nothing more he could do. Heikki took a clumsy lunge when he probably could've waited until La Source to make a move, as he was fairly quick at the time.

Flibster · 8 Sep 2008 at 13:17

Just been sent a link to this.
Possibly the best video explanation I've seen so far.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzKMyFCaZy0

mmj_uk · 8 Sep 2008 at 13:19

What disappoints me is that F1 has become like football with a policy of "non-interference", it's no wonder the last 10 years most of the overtaking has been done via pit strategy. I used to criticise M. Schumacher for hardly ever overtaking out on the track but how many points would it have cost him over the years??

el_dazza · 8 Sep 2008 at 13:20

Flibster said:
Just been sent a link to this.
Possibly the best video explanation I've seen so far.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzKMyFCaZy0

That's spot on IMO.

GravyMonster · 8 Sep 2008 at 13:22

That video is exactly how i see it.

mark66 · 8 Sep 2008 at 13:25

How likely is it that McLaren have any hope of winning the appeal? Indeed, has any team won an appeal and had the stewards rulings overidden in the last few years?

I think the penalty is harsh and unfair, but I get the impression that these appeals are just a complete waste of time

FrankJH · 8 Sep 2008 at 13:32

TheStig1 said:
yes there is rules about using the race track lol
he used a corner cut to to gain a position just like he did in france
maybe he should learn the rules and grow up?
had he not cut the corner he would be nowhere near to kimi into turn 1 kimi had defended his line and lewis would have lost time if he never cut the corner

You really are being pedantic - you know thats not what I said

Others have cut corners very similarly and not been penalised, and if you were such a follower of F1 you would know this

Charlie Whitting knows the rules better than you - as he has and still is the Racing Director for a number of years , and he agrees that McLaren did enough

Kimi forced him off its not like LH had any choice without causing an avoidable accident

At the end of the day , you know as well as everyone else it had no effect on KR at the end of the day, it had no effect on Massa's or Heidfeld's race - and yet still has a penalty - which dramatically favours Ferrari (and BMW to a lesser extent)

el_dazza said:
That's spot on IMO.

Completely agree

PinkFloyd · 8 Sep 2008 at 13:35

Flibster said:
Just been sent a link to this.
Possibly the best video explanation I've seen so far.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzKMyFCaZy0

Spot on. Harsh and aggresive driving by both. Not punishable for either driver.

Duke · 8 Sep 2008 at 13:51

I bet this thread will still be active until Monza

dannyjo22 · 8 Sep 2008 at 13:53

Flibster said:
Just been sent a link to this.
Possibly the best video explanation I've seen so far.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzKMyFCaZy0

Yeah pretty much how everyone see's it, the only thing I would like changed is Kimi knows Hamilton is alongside him and the move to run him out of circuit shouldn't be allowed. Once the car is there you should have to give them room, not run them off.