2008 Belgian GP - Race 13/18
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I very much hope the penalty gets overturned since I wish we could see more of the driver's going at it instead of just following each other around and relying on pit-stop strategy. But. Lewis made his overtaking move on the entrance to the chicane, it failed and if he had braked to avoid a collision while still remaining on the track he would've lost a decent chunk of time. By cutting the chicane, yes he let Kimi back in front, but he also arranged things so that he would be as close as if the overtaking move had never happened and he had instead always planned to make his lunge into turn 1 (as he went on to do). A nice two for one deal you might say.
I would ask you these questions.
Why did Hamilton's overtaking manoeuvre fail?
Why does Hamilton deserve a penalty?
Another spot on comment.
The FIA needs to be investigated, people need to be sacked and lessons learnt.
I doubt anything will happen and I would put money on the penalty not being overturned
The FIA make me sick, bernie makes me sick. The entire management of F1 makes me sick.
What I want to know is where on earth they came up with a figure of 25 seconds for a "drive through" penalty. That's more like the time you'd lose doing a full pitstop - merely driving through the pits would lose you far less time.
Also, bear in mind that it's not yet certain whether the appeal will even be allowed as I don't think it's clear whether a drive-through can be appealed.
Also, bear in mind that it's not yet certain whether the appeal will even be allowed as I don't think it's clear whether a drive-through can be appealed.
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If Lewis braked, he may not have been able to steer fully for the exit of the chicaine, thus causing a potential accident. Both cars locked up into the entrance of the chicaine so they were side by side, at that point Kimi made a gamble for the inside line for the exit which paid off, however it left Lewis with one of 3 choices to make in a couple tenths. Stand his gound, brake or leave the circuit. I think either way he would have potentially been in trouble.
If it was a 15 sec penalty then he would have still won I think.
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I think it's not that Hamilton had the advantage over Kimi (after cutting across the chicane), but that he didn't give back enough of the advantage after the incident, which has got the stewards involved.
After all, the McLaren was much quicker on the wet track, so he (Hamilton) could have easily got him (Raikkonen) later on down the straight.
I'm gutted, like everyone else.. but I do think that Ferrari always seem to get the benefit of the doubt, with regards to these sorts of things.
After all, the McLaren was much quicker on the wet track, so he (Hamilton) could have easily got him (Raikkonen) later on down the straight.
I'm gutted, like everyone else.. but I do think that Ferrari always seem to get the benefit of the doubt, with regards to these sorts of things.
list these times others have cut the track and gained a position and got away with it
some people really have no idea what they are talking about lewis should not have been that close he would have lost a lot of time had he not cut the chicane he went for a silly move round the outside and when he got done he decided to cheat the track and take a shortcut and then use that shortcut to make an overtake
the stewards got it right and lewis should have learned from france that cutting the track is not allowed but he will think he is above the rules and people like you will try and defend it
at the end of the day lewis has to obey the rules no matter how arrogant he thinks he can be
you crying about the fia applying the rules is not going to change it lets hope he is a bit more respectful next time round but i doubt it as he will play the victim role once again
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no most of these people watch f1 once or twice and think they know it all
or read it in the sun and are suddenly murray walker its quite embarrasing that lewis fanbase is made up of people like that
why dont they draw reference to alonso at suzuka 05? oh because lewis was not in f1 then i guess
anyway serial lewis lover james allen can even see the issue which says it all
How likely is it that McLaren have any hope of winning the appeal? Indeed, has any team won an appeal and had the stewards rulings overidden in the last few years?
I think the penalty is harsh and unfair, but I get the impression that these appeals are just a complete waste of time
This is where the FIA become predictable didnt you realise
"We cant change the stewards verdict without removing all of the stewards power - therefore the results will not be changed"
it remains to be seen if mclaren are even entitled to protest a drive/thru penalty
i doubt the fia will even let them be heard and quite rightly
and if they do and mclaren lose the appeal they will just add on another penalty for them wasting everyones time yet again
i doubt the fia will even let them be heard and quite rightly
and if they do and mclaren lose the appeal they will just add on another penalty for them wasting everyones time yet again
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What's Bernie got to do with it? I expect he is as annoyed about this as anyone. The witch hunt the FIA have started (or stepped up rather) on Mclaren is unbelievable.
Lewis didn't get anything wrong. He was on his gear box and went for an over take. KR forced him off the track. He then gave the place, was clearly of the throttle past the finish line, then over took fair and square. No one was in the wrong apart from the FIA. The mclaren was so much faster than ferrari at that point, he could have easily over taken on the straight and been several car lengths in front. Instead he stayed behind and took him at the corner.
Nothing with this, but he made me sick for the last 10 years or so.
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Well by the end of the first turn in the chicane he was no longer in front and Kimi squeezed him right the way over, something I've seen a lot of them doing recently.
Oh and perhaps my first sentence wasn't clear enough. I don't believe there should have been a penalty and I hope it gets overturned since I welcome the drivers being able to have a go at each other. I do however believe that cutting the chicane gave Lewis an advantage.
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