Poll: 2008 Brazilian GP - Race 18/18

[ps3ud0]

Im really not sure Hamilton has learnt that lesson yet. Hamilton didnt grab the title with both hands today and declare it his, that would have been to drive at the front and pressure Massa all the way. Hamilton seems to fixate on playing it safe, driving ONLY for 5th when you require 5th for the championship is going to land you in situations where it may, or may not work out. Untill he masters this mindset he'll never be the complete driver

I dont see it like that - a measured drive was to be in 2nd/3rd and not needing to attack or defend because he was comfortable where he was and had that buffer. Doing what youve said and what he did today just wasnted measured at all and its by luck it fell the way it did...

Last year he was special and really showed massive promise and deserved some of the kudos thrown his way - this year has shown that him (and his team) make far too many mistakes when they really shouldnt and really driving fast is only part of what you need to be the best...

He will get better will age and mature, he just has to realise that epic speed isnt the be all and end all - when he does that and retrospectively looks at these 2 years he will realise he shouldnt have allowed it to get so close...

ps3ud0

 

[xander_uk2]

Bitter much?

Yes, I'm afraid I am. It's a horrible feeling too

Maclaren are a business, Ferrari are a pure racing team. You can see the passion in that team, and they deserve the constructors title. Takes the sting out of it for me.
Maclaren are devoid of any soul.......Ron Dennis infuriates me.....he incites a clear divide in the team. It happened with Hakinen and DC and it's happening again with the golden boy and Kovalianen.
Massa, Kubica, Glok, Vettell, Alonso are all much much better drivers than Hamilton.
All struggled (Massas father worked 5 jobs to support him in his early career) early in their career (read up on Kubica) due to lack of money. It was their drive, enthusiasm and passion that kept them going but Hamilton has had cash thrown at him from the start. Everything he is is because of Ron Dennis moulding him into a Maclaren cash cow (Santander adverts anyone?) He's a product, cooked up and programmed to do as Ron desires

Damn....time to shut up

 

[<(Multi)>]

I dont see it like that - a measured drive was to be in 2nd/3rd and not needing to attack or defend because he was comfortable where he was and had that buffer. Doing what youve said and what he did today just wasnted measured at all and its by luck it fell the way it did...

ps3ud0

lol, havent you just claimed exactly the same thing as me, that he wasnt measured and it was all left to luck in the end. Im saying he should forget this fixation of playing it safe and SHOULD be driving for 1st at every race, not drive the last 5 races of every season only aiming for 4ths and 5ths because hes nearly got the championship.

 

[Lopéz]

Yes, I'm afraid I am. It's a horrible feeling too

Maclaren are a business, Ferrari are a pure racing team. You can see the passion in that team, and they deserve the constructors title. Takes the sting out of it for me.
Maclaren are devoid of any soul.......Ron Dennis infuriates me.....he incites a clear divide in the team. It happened with Hakinen and DC and it's happening again with the golden boy and Kovalianen.
Massa, Kubica, Glok, Vettell, Alonso are all much much better drivers than Hamilton.
All struggled (Massas father worked 5 jobs to support him in his early career) early in their career (read up on Kubica) due to lack of money. It was their drive, enthusiasm and passion that kept them going but Hamilton has had cash thrown at him from the start. Everything he is because of Ron Dennis moulding him into a Maclaren cash cow (Santander adverts anyone?)

Damn....time to shut up

Crikey.... I've seen bitter before but that takes the biscuit

Ferrari a pure racing team not a business? LOL!

 

[NathanE]

Maclaren are a business, Ferrari are a pure racing team.

Eh? Wrong way around. Ferrari sell road cars. McLaren don't. Well they have the Mercedes McLaren SLR and of course the McLaren F1. The former is more of a Merc than a McLaren and the latter is a super car that they don't make anymore.

 

[ps3ud0]

lol, havent you just claimed exactly the same thing as me, that he wasnt measured and it was all left to luck in the end. Im saying he should forget this fixation of playing it safe and SHOULD be driving for 1st at every race, not drive the last 5 races of every season only aiming for 4ths and 5ths because hes nearly got the championship.

Probably - cba to find the post you linked to (wish you could quote quotes) so just quoted yours . Though totally disagree with him trying for the win today - 2nd/3rd would have been perfect. Its called playing for percentages and race-craft...

Plenty of times Hamiltons (and other drivers) have tried to force themselves to the front for it not to work and then in hindsight they wish they hadnt done it...

EDIT: Nope I havent claimed the same you said after reading your last 2 posts - far from it . Little value in pressuring Massa for the lead - stupid if he had. Also what he says in interviews about playing it safe rarely means he will do that in the race...

ps3ud0

 

[crunchee]

that race was just beathtaking, i mean wow. im just happy LH won it.
And to cap it all off the premature celebrations at the ferrari garage, priceless. ican watch that all day and it'll still be as funny

 

[Sparky]

Yes, I'm afraid I am. It's a horrible feeling too

Maclaren are a business, Ferrari are a pure racing team. You can see the passion in that team, and they deserve the constructors title. Takes the sting out of it for me.
Maclaren are devoid of any soul.......Ron Dennis infuriates me.....he incites a clear divide in the team. It happened with Hakinen and DC and it's happening again with the golden boy and Kovalianen.
Massa, Kubica, Glok, Vettell, Alonso are all much much better drivers than Hamilton.
All struggled (Massas father worked 5 jobs to support him in his early career) early in their career (read up on Kubica) due to lack of money. It was their drive, enthusiasm and passion that kept them going but Hamilton has had cash thrown at him from the start. Everything he is is because of Ron Dennis moulding him into a Maclaren cash cow (Santander adverts anyone?) He's a product, cooked up and programmed to do as Ron desires

Damn....time to shut up

Related to TheStig1 by any chance?

 

[<(Multi)>]

Can someone summarise the 2009 car regulations please. I've just tried googling but cant really find a bulletpoint list of everything.

Would be nice to look forward to 2009 now, or the year of Jenson Button as I like to call it *snigger*

 

[Hxc]

I don't think the best driver won the championship, far from it. I think Kubica and Vettel would both trounce LH if they had the car under them and were fully into it (Kubica seemed a bit disheartened, it must be said).

Congrats to him nonetheless.

 

[kibblerok]

Who wants to see Brazilian Tv's point of view?

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=NzeuLmOQmhI

*beep beep beep beep*.... BRAZIL

 

[ps3ud0]

Yes, I'm afraid I am. It's a horrible feeling too

Maclaren are a business, Ferrari are a pure racing team. You can see the passion in that team, and they deserve the constructors title. Takes the sting out of it for me.
Maclaren are devoid of any soul.......Ron Dennis infuriates me.....he incites a clear divide in the team. It happened with Hakinen and DC and it's happening again with the golden boy and Kovalianen.
Massa, Kubica, Glok, Vettell, Alonso are all much much better drivers than Hamilton.
All struggled (Massas father worked 5 jobs to support him in his early career) early in their career (read up on Kubica) due to lack of money. It was their drive, enthusiasm and passion that kept them going but Hamilton has had cash thrown at him from the start. Everything he is is because of Ron Dennis moulding him into a Maclaren cash cow (Santander adverts anyone?) He's a product, cooked up and programmed to do as Ron desires

Damn....time to shut up

Im afraid you must be having some memory problems regards Ferrari - its like reminiscing how good Knight Rider (replace with any other 80s favourite ) was and then re-watching it and realising how rubbish it was...

Ive always thought that LH reminds me of the Russian in the Rocky films

Kubica seemed a bit disheartened, it must be said.

I noticed this after reading his quote on LH (very surprised as I dont take him as a driver with a chip on his shoulder) - I dno whats happened to him at BMW, but somethings definitely gone on in the last third of the season.

ps3ud0

 

[SDK^]

Can someone summarise the 2009 car regulations please. I've just tried googling but cant really find a bulletpoint list of everything

A new Kenitic Energy Recovery (KERS) system which will allow up to 11bhp boost for 8 secs per lap.
Much smaller front and rear wings.
Slick tyres.
Driver adjustable front aero - twice per lap

 

[Sparky]

A new Kenitic Energy Recovery (KERS) system which will allow up to 11bhp boost for 8 secs per lap.
Much smaller front and rear wings.
Slick rear tyres.

You missed

No overtaking red cars

 

[Kitchster_uk]

Yes, I'm afraid I am. It's a horrible feeling too

Massa, Kubica, Glok, Vettell, Alonso are all much much better drivers than Hamilton.

Err...maybe not! Timo Glock scored a massive 25 points - even Trulli scored 31 in the same car! Trulli also managed to stick that Toyota on the front row today. Hells bells, Mark Webber was 4 points behind him!!!

Massa was in the best car all year, had the benefit of several calls from the Stewards and still finished second. He's a good driver but couldn't win the championship in the best car on the grid.

Kubica. He only failed to score in 4 races and that's impressive, but then again the BMW was the best of the rest behind Ferrari/McLaren for a lot of the season and he is one of the top 8 certainly so he SHOULD score regularly.

Vettel is a great young driver, but he needs to be proved yet. Once again, he scored only 4 points more than Jarno Trulli - hardly earth-shattering.

Finally, Alonso managed two wins this season but still finds himself 1 point ahead of Nick Heidfeld in the WDC standings and the Renault has ended up as good as if not better than the McLaren

Damn....time to shut up

Yup

 

[ps3ud0]

...the Renault has ended up as good as if not better than the McLaren

How the **** did you get to that deduction?!?

ps3ud0

 

[Masterdog]

Maclaren are devoid of any soul.......Ron Dennis infuriates me.....he incites a clear divide in the team. It happened with Hakinen and DC and it's happening again with the golden boy and Kovalianen.

He's got a point, Ferrari certainly never favoured one driver over another. Of course, my memory only reaches back as far as last season, but I'm sure he's right.

 

[Sparky]

He's got a point, Ferrari certainly never favoured one driver over another. Of course, my memory only reaches back as far as last season, but I'm sure he's right.

Never heard of Michael Schumacher then?

 

[Hxc]

He's got a point, Ferrari certainly never favoured one driver over another. Of course, my memory only reaches back as far as last season, but I'm sure he's right.

Definitely. It's not like there was ever contraversy over orders to allow one driver to overtake the other

 

[dannyjo22]

Agreed. He has done what MS did which is to win the title in an inferior car. .

Hamilton won in the best car. It's no use having a fast car if it breaks and costs you points. Anyone can make a fast car. Making a fast car that doesn't break is the best car. Hamilton won the title in the best car.

That was a great interview with Schumacher I saw last night regarding this years ferrari. He said the ferrari is very simliar this year to his 95 benetton. Quick but incredibly twitchy. The band for pushing and going too far is very small and in the wet a nightmare. It was on inside sport I think and it really did show MS in another light, well worth trying to find.

Its clear to see overall in varying conditions the mclaren has been the better car.

Also interesting that people considered that a measured drive by Lewis, in the early wet laps I was amazed at the risks he was taking with the kerbs in the first batch of rain. Shows the confidence he had catching the car in the wet. Especially when you consider how bad the ferrari has been this year in the damp anywhere near a kerb.