True, also there's the fact that the brakes they're using are a year behind everyone else's, due to the spy scandal. They were starting somewhat on the back foot.
Poll: 2008 Brazilian GP - Race 18/18
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True, also there's the fact that the brakes they're using are a year behind everyone else's, due to the spy scandal. They were starting somewhat on the back foot.
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Only if you like alonso. I watch that channel for my f1 as i get much better tv reception than on itv. Do understand what they were saying? I do and its worse than itv's bias towards hamilton. the number of times they mentioned that he would have been world chapion again if he had better luck, car, only if the last eight races counted, if he had less chin. the only saving grace of that tv coverage is Pedro de la rosa that does live comanary during the race.
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Surely he just steals all the quotes from Italian TV coverage?
SNAP! OH NO HE DIT'NT!
ROFLNo doubt that Massa is one of the greatest drivers of all time, can't help but feel Hamilton is just that little bit better though.
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...Well hes not as **** as DC is - or as submissive...
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I'd put Kubica well up there with them if the BMW has been worth the development time spent on it. Providing he gets out of his grump
I see no reason to rate Kubica yet. He is promising but has almost made many fundamental mistakes. Last two races he failed to set his car up properly... possibly due to a small amount of pressure to secure his 3rd place (but of course he didn't and ended up 4th in the WDC). Silverstone he crashed out. Fuji last year he spun Hamilton.
Vettel has a better CV than Kubica, IMO.
Vettel also won his race on merit. Kubica was more than slightly lucky that the leading runner had a touch of red blindness.
What a load of rubbish...
I dont get people like this at all - yes you are correct he didnt need to be super fast - but it went the total opposite of that.
Hamilton shouldnt been where he was on the grid - they should have matched Ferraris qualifying trim and ensured he was 3rd with Kova 4th/5th to protect him (at the start as he proved). They didnt need to load him with too much fuel especially at a circuit like Brazil which has very changeable conditions. Matching what Ferrari did just meant that tactically it would be a very simple race since they may have not been as fast as them but would not be slow enough initially to be gathered in by the other drivers. Even Ross Brawn criticised their strategy and hes not wet-behind-the-ears...
Also what transpired on race day was put down to McLaren strategy - are you ******* serious? How often has McLaren strategy in the last 2 years favoured McLaren? They are a joke amongst the paddock how THEY threw away last years championship. Whatever the strategy, no one can say getting into the right position on the last corner of the last lap is perfect - indeed it sounds more luck than judgement.
He should have done what I said earlier - aimed for 3rd/4th and let the Ferrairs romp home - he has a car fast enough to do that at Brazil in wet/dry circumstances and if he was challenged (I very much assume that Kova wouldnt be anywhere near to protect him like usual) he could give up the place. Whatever Alonso has been saying in the papers is just hot air and mind games and to an extent it worked considering the posts on here. And as Kimi has said SOOO many times - he doesnt give a **** who wins and very much doubt he would bend to team tactics - look at what hes said numerous times when asked the question regards Massa being World Champion...
3rd/4th would have giving him a buffer if a fuel stop went wrong or if the weather changed - sitting in 5th when it did and then losing it to Vettel shows how imperfect the strategy was - or is it that LH is just a poorer driver than Vettel?!? Also when didnt he overdrive - he kept going on the white lines in the wet when he doesnt need to - this guy has very limited race craft where he just doesnt understand he doesnt need to take risks - it really shows how good Schumacher was - he got the car where he needed to it to be and then just went on autopilot and nursed it home.
No doubt Ill get replies advocating that Im a Ferrari lover (but like JRS Ive said a number of times im not
) and the rest - but if you think LH drove a mature, calculated race and the team strategy was perfect in that they only got 5th by 6secs then you are very sadly mistaken. He never should have ever been in a position where the 99% final outcome wasnt getting at least 5th - every other possibility should have been so small that a contingency was neither needed or required...P.S. I still cant get past that you consider the team strategy to be perfect - its so absurdly funny
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iirc he was in 4th ahead of vettel and glock when the weather changed.
This is just what I was thinking. The fact that he came in and changed his tyres due to the changing weather looked like it had cost him the championship but then ended up winning it for him.
I really don't get why ps3ud0 seems to think that Lewis should have done more - he was driving consistantly & conservatively to win the championship and not the race and if it wasn't for the change in weather at the end of the race then he would have come 4th. Weather can really change the outcome of races, as we have seen so many times, so the fact he lost a couple of places because of it was unlucky but then the fact he gained a place back was lucky.
That's racing though, luck normally has a part to play.
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What a load of rubbish...
I dont get people like this at all - yes you are correct he didnt need to be super fast - but it went the total opposite of that.
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P.S. I still cant get past that you consider the team strategy to be perfect - its so absurdly funny
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Something that you are also forgetting - LH was on his 2nd race on that engine - the Ferrari's were BOTH on a new engine. If Hamilton had literally ragged the arse end off it, he would have increased the chance of blowing it up. His gearbox was on the 3rd race also - honestly, I don't understand why you would risk losing it by driving the car so hard in a race you cannot win. The Ferrari is simply a better car around interlagos, the Torro Rosso being powered by the same engine - hell the Renault has had a higher output at the end of the season! It is pointless pushing the car to it's limit with the chance of finishing third when you can turn the engine down a touch and finish 4th/5th.
I think youve made my point for me - luck didnt need to enter into - especially when you consider it the perfect strategy. Also as I said before looking at him on track he wasnt driving conservatively (everyone knows you are taking a risk driving on the lines in the wet - its a risk that doesnt need to be taken)..
All Im saying is that it didnt need to have been played like that where the last 100m decided a 10month campaign. I truly believe if Hamilton hadnt entered the sport and Alonso was still at McLaren (cant see why he wouldnt have stayed) both these championships would have been his and he would have locked them up way before the last race...
Hamiltons a damn talent, McLaren definitely arent the team they were (tactically for sure) but still make a damn good car - together they should be winning championships but bloody hell do they make it hard for themselves. They really are each others worst enemies...
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Well done Hamilton, doesn't make it easy for himself, last couple of laps i realy did think he had lost it,feel sorry for Massa, drove a blinder of a race.
All McLaren have to do now is sort out there number 2 driver.
All McLaren have to do now is sort out there number 2 driver.
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I think McLaren made the wrong strategy choice in qually. They seemed surprised that Alonso and Trulli got in front of them.
But their strategy on race day was second to none IMO. The only thing they could have done to improve it was to bring LH in earlier for the switch to dry tyres. But that is hindsight.
If they left LH out on dry tyres when the rain came down at the end he would have lost everything and McLaren would have been lambasted for it.
They brought him in at exactly the right time (the same time as the guys surrounding him).
They were surprised that Glock stayed out but they did their calculations and knew it would not be a problem (although by a very very small margin admittedly!) But no one can plan for a rain shower like that.
Which brings us back to the original point... why did they let LH get embroiled in the "front-mid field" like that in the first place? So yeah ultimately their qually was not the best. Still got the result they wanted though.
Although the other side of me says it wasn't such a bad idea. It is far better they were "fighting" with their non-immediate rivals. Because if they had qualified directly behind the Ferrari's then it could have been an entirely different race... KR might have backed them up or tried some other dodgy tactics. It is a tough call.
By the way, if it wasn't for Kubica being incredibly arrogant with his "unlapping" of himself then I suspect LH would not have lost that place to Vettel. Which would have meant he finished 4th. I believe 4th is the target place McLaren were aiming for however, of course, they just missed it and ended up 5th. Which was their "plan B".
It's a case of the end result that matters, Massa drove very well this year
IMO a number of the other drivers have shown themselves for what they are (whiners)
The reaction of the crowd and the media left a lot to be desired.
Fred looked like his favourite dog had died
IMO a number of the other drivers have shown themselves for what they are (whiners)
The reaction of the crowd and the media left a lot to be desired.
Fred looked like his favourite dog had died
It was incredibly anti-climatic... the podium ceremony was almost pointless - no one was even smiling up there!
The Brazilian crowd were crap. You'd think they'd have at least some compassion for Hamilton who constantly mentions Senna at every chance.
The Brazilian crowd were crap. You'd think they'd have at least some compassion for Hamilton who constantly mentions Senna at every chance.
The crowd is partisan and every F1 GP Ive been to at Silverstone has always been the same. I very much doubt if it was the last race of the season and a non-Brit won at the expense of a Brit that the same thing wouldnt happen that happened at Interlagos...
The informed component of the crowd would be in the tiny minority. Its nice to think that we would be better people, and some of us would be - but I doubt the majority - Im not that naive...
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The informed component of the crowd would be in the tiny minority. Its nice to think that we would be better people, and some of us would be - but I doubt the majority - Im not that naive...
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