Poll: 2008 Brazilian GP - Race 18/18

Your prediction(s)?

  • Hamilton wins the race

    Votes: 68 24.0%

  • Massa wins the race

    Votes: 107 37.8%

  • Hamilton gets a puncture and loses everything

    Votes: 13 4.6%

  • Hamilton gets owned by the FIA's EMP weapon like last year and loses everything

    Votes: 40 14.1%

  • Hamilton is too hot headed at the start and loses everything

    Votes: 35 12.4%

  • Massa takes the refuelling rig with him again and loses everything

    Votes: 12 4.2%

  • Alonso takes out Hamilton and Hamilton loses everything

    Votes: 25 8.8%

  • Kimi takes out Hamilton and Hamilton loses everything

    Votes: 8 2.8%

  • Wet or partially wet race

    Votes: 116 41.0%

  • Dry race

    Votes: 14 4.9%

  • Some sort of penalty given to Hamilton

    Votes: 36 12.7%

  • Some sort of penalty given to Massa

    Votes: 5 1.8%
  • Total voters
    283
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NathanE said:
I think McLaren made the wrong strategy choice in qually. They seemed surprised that Alonso and Trulli got in front of them.
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It's not the first time McLaren have gambled on strategy and had it backfire on them instead of just playing it safe, it's like they're trying too hard to be different to the others and come off as tactical geniuses.

McLaren in Brazil qualifying were gambling on an almost entirely wet race, it didn't turn out like that and when all the cars had to pit early on to change tyres this just totally negated their full tank of fuel advantage.
 
McLaren tried to play safe and nearly lost the championship because of it, even if it would have rained the whole race it would be best to be in 1st, no spray and no other cars close to touch you and mess up a wing or worse.

Just look at what the 1-stop strategy has brought Toyota over the course of a year, it really doesn't wotk.
 
Dutch Guy said:
McLaren tried to play safe and nearly lost the championship because of it, even if it would have rained the whole race it would be best to be in 1st, no spray and no other cars close to touch you and mess up a wing or worse.

Just look at what the 1-stop strategy has brought Toyota over the course of a year, it really doesn't wotk.
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Not true at all - If it had continued raining, the strategy with the added fuel in LH's car would have come good (in the rain LH would have had more laps of fuel extra than Ferrari/Renault) and therefore been able to really push it on light fuel on his last few laps in the clear before coming into the pits (with all the other cars heavy after their first stops)

thats even if the Ferrari didnt constantly spin like it did at Silverstone

It wasnt ever going to be a one stop, it was just a longer 1st stint

Overlag said:
dont forget BMW....
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BMW are great - but they cant consistantly deal with two drivers /cars doing well

They will do about the same as 08, depending on how good/bad their new design is
 
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FrankJH said:
Not true at all - If it had continued raining, the strategy with the added fuel in LH's car would have come good (in the rain LH would have had more laps of fuel extra than Ferrari/Renault) and therefore been able to really push it on light fuel on his last few laps in the clear before coming into the pits (with all the other cars heavy after their first stops)
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But the time gained by being able to run a few laps after the Ferrari's had pitted could be a lot less than the time lost by driving around behind Trulli in the rain.

It just seemd (to me) a big gamble by setting up the car for rain when in the race itself they just followed Massa his pitstop strategy (I know it was because of the rain but still)
 
Dutch Guy said:
It just seemd (to me) a big gamble by setting up the car for rain when in the race itself they just followed Massa his pitstop strategy (I know it was because of the rain but still)
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Agreed - quick and simple - theres no need to be different since he wasnt vying with anyone just a position...

ps3ud0 :cool:
 
Dutch Guy said:
But the time gained by being able to run a few laps after the Ferrari's had pitted could be a lot less than the time lost by driving around behind Trulli in the rain.

It just seemd (to me) a big gamble by setting up the car for rain when in the race itself they just followed Massa his pitstop strategy (I know it was because of the rain but still)
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I would agree although I dont think they were expecting Trulli to be there, was anyone? McLaren seem to struggle with a "conservative" strategy, its always seems to be overly safe which could have so nearly cost him the title. I'd also say it was strange to have fuelled for a mainly wet race yet be running low aero compared to the rest of the field, surely if your counting on a wet race low aero isnt the way to go?
 
I think McLaren overestimated their car's abilities in keeping heat in the tyres on that track with low aero. Big mistake but luckily it didn't rain for the whole race...

LH was clearly having major problems getting power down in the damp conditions at the start and end of the race.
 
Was Hamilton not running a low downforce setup? This would mean that he would struggle in the wet. If so, then he didnt have a wet set-up. He was just running a long 1st stint (for whatever reason).

Out of curiosity did anyone calculate how many extra laps fuel Hamilton was carrying, over Massa, in qualifying?

Also, on ITV1, they keep re-iterating that McLaren have some super intelligent people coming up with race strategies. Is it me or does anyone think that these intelligent people need to be fired for coming up with useless strategies, on almost every race? Even when Hamilton wins, he is winning inspite of the bad strategy, not because of it. The best example was in Germany, when he was overwhelmingly faster than everybody else, but his strategy kept putting him behind people.

EDIT: Hamilton interview:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/7706496.stm
 
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IMO three is achievable. 7 isn't and it's good that he realises that! Schumacher benefited from a rather unique point in F1 history where Ferrari were dominant and the FIA seemingly had no real interest in slowing them down!
 
To be honest debuting in a Honda for F1 is not going to do him any favours...

He really needs to push for a Toro Rosso seat and considering they've got a giant black hole there from Vettel leaving I think Senna would fit in there quite well... IF he is as good as people say.
 
Dutch Guy said:
He was, which is very strange as he had a wet setup which should mean softer suspension and more downforce.

I think that they did not set up for the rain but they just had too much fuel at the start.
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The McLarens were running low downforce. Their reasoning being that being slow in twisty bit wouldn't be a problem as passing was impossible, however being slow in the last section, especially, would lead to people potentially picking up a tow and then passing.

It was working as well. Though Vettel was quicker he couldn't get past as he was lacking straight line speed and only made the pass in the end after Lewis was forced wide when Kubica unlapped himself.
 
ah I didn't realise Honda had taken Senna as a test driver.

he seemed to get pretty unlucky in those last few GP2 races anyway. Been a while now but running out of fuel at Valencia must have hurt (although not so much luck there).
 
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