2008 Canadian Grand Prix - Race 7/18
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Yeah, about the only thing he was destroying was Kimi's car...
Funny, I'm the same I loved Mansell because whatever the situation he never gave up. In those days the drivers seem to psych each other more and Mansell tried to be fastest in every session. Was it Detroit where he passed out having pushed the car over the line and somewhere else he nearly dropped the winners trophy because his hands were so blistered.
Exactly. Senna was the same. The only thing that mattered was being the fastest and winning.
Once MS arrived, he showed the world that he would only go as fast as was necessary and was not interested in show-boating.
Hamilton on the other hand, I feel, wants to go faster than everyone and wants other drivers to acknowledge him as the best. He is the sort to a low fuel load towards the end of a practise session, just to top the time sheets. Just like Mansell and Senna before him.
Is it me, or does Kimi give Lewis the two fingers?
hes pointing to his eyes.
ie "are you blind?"
Yes come to think of it he does and tbh I respect him more for it.
Not quite. He had to work hard to get the seat at McLaren. Obviously, in his youth, he had to keep showing McLaren that he was worthy of their backing. If he had performed poorly at any stage, he couldve been "dropped". He has consistently shown throughout his racing career that he is top notch and is worthy for special treatment.
Last year, he had to drive with Alonso. Not easy. A lesser driver wouldve got hammered (just like Piquet is this year), but Hamilton fought and fought and fought. If he got humiliated by Alonso last year, his F1 career couldve been over, just like Piquet's might be after this year.
This year, Hamilton is driving with Heikki who is highly rated by many (but not by me
) and is showing him who is boss. At no stage has Hamilton had it all his own way.Had he been given a McLaren that was 1s/lap faster than any other car, with a team mate who was very very slow, then I would agree that he has had it too easy, but this is not the case. Last year he fought 2 Ferraris and his team mate; this year he is fighting 2 Ferraris with no assistance from his team-mate.
Yes fair points, I think the ITV commentary team have been getting to me.
I don't think Hammi will be happy unless he gets every pole and race win until he retires and I do think that is a great attitude.
Im afraid that's where we would have to disagree.
So who is?
if you think someone with only a years experience is the best then ...
i mean yeah hes slideways agressive style at monaco 07 and 08, and a few other drives shows hes a great driver... but no way is he the best. far too many off days for that.
If you read what I said. The most gifted driver is Hamilton, not the best.
To my mind, the best overall driver (if I had to hire a driver) would be Alonso. He has all the credentials that back him and is the most complete driver at this moment in time. Its a shame that his last 2 races have been atrocious.
Kimi is far too inconsistent. In some races you see him doing great and in others, Massa runs rings around him.
Kubica is rock solid and has a fantastic termperment, but I feel over the course of a full season, Hamilton would score more points than him.
Hamilton does make mistakes and I think this is more down to his inexperience, however, in time, if he continues along the same lines as he has thus far, he will be the dominant driver for years to come. I dont feel that the fact that he only has a year's experience would be the reason why he wouldnt be the overall best driver. A supremely gifted driver would have the ability to compete with a more experienced driver, from the word go (which is what Hamilton did last year, with Alonso).
I actually think that Hamilton is the best "rookie" that Ive seen since MS, in 1992 (I dont count 1991, as he hardly raced that year), when he was able to beat the dominant Mansell/Williams, at Spa.
To my mind, the best overall driver (if I had to hire a driver) would be Alonso. He has all the credentials that back him and is the most complete driver at this moment in time. Its a shame that his last 2 races have been atrocious.
Kimi is far too inconsistent. In some races you see him doing great and in others, Massa runs rings around him.
Kubica is rock solid and has a fantastic termperment, but I feel over the course of a full season, Hamilton would score more points than him.
Hamilton does make mistakes and I think this is more down to his inexperience, however, in time, if he continues along the same lines as he has thus far, he will be the dominant driver for years to come. I dont feel that the fact that he only has a year's experience would be the reason why he wouldnt be the overall best driver. A supremely gifted driver would have the ability to compete with a more experienced driver, from the word go (which is what Hamilton did last year, with Alonso).
I actually think that Hamilton is the best "rookie" that Ive seen since MS, in 1992 (I dont count 1991, as he hardly raced that year), when he was able to beat the dominant Mansell/Williams, at Spa.
Kimi is the most consistent driver fact. He got more points than anyone else in a 17 race season. You don't do that without being consistent. Massa is the inconsistent driver at Ferrari, brilliant one week and ordinary the next.
So far hamilton has run into the back of a parked car at 50mph, pushed the wrong button on his steering wheel in Brazil, forgot to push the start program button on the starting grid, ran into the back of Alonso during a race all in a short Formula 1 career. He is not one of the greats of Formula 1 just a very exciting prospect . Once he has won a championsip then he can be mentioned alongside the other champions. At this moment he even ranks behind James Hunt amongst british drivers who was World Champion and also won for a small team as well. It's all the rubbish thats spoken and written about Hamilton that makes some people dislike him.
Over a single qualifying lap, it would be between Button and Hamilton. Coulthard isnt a strong qualifier though he is good in races, if a little unlucky.
Providing Hamilton can keep it on the road, I would say Hamilton would be fastest over a single lap, however, if I had to bet my house on it (and it really hurts me to say this) I would put my money on Button as he should be able to set the car up quicker and get the car around the track in one piece.
In any case, I think it would be very close between Button and Hamilton.
Of course, Alonso would beat all of em
Providing Hamilton can keep it on the road, I would say Hamilton would be fastest over a single lap, however, if I had to bet my house on it (and it really hurts me to say this) I would put my money on Button as he should be able to set the car up quicker and get the car around the track in one piece.
In any case, I think it would be very close between Button and Hamilton.
Of course, Alonso would beat all of em
The only reason why he managed to outscore everyone else last season (by 1point) was because Hamilton and Alonso were taking points off of eachother and squabbling like children. They couldnt see past their private feud. Hamilton's "off" in the last race of the season showed just how much he wanted to beat Alonso as he lost all perspective of what he needed to do in the race (to win the WDC), when he saw Alonso go past him. It seemed he was more focused on beating Alonso than winning the WDC itself.
He will learn from that.
He does make, rather foolish mistakes, but his race speed is undeniable. In terms of natural ability, ie. the ability to drive fast with little or no experience, I stand by my opinion that he is the most gifted in F1.
If he wants to be a great, he will need to continue at his current speed, but reduce the amount of foolish mistakes he makes.
Its only a matter of time. The only other guy I said this about was Schumacher, in 1992, after he beat the Williams/Mansell car. I believe Hamilton has a decent chance of beating all the records set by MS, but it is so important that this year he carry on what he did last year - which is what he is doing. If this season, he suddenly became anonymous and lost his zeal, which he had last year, then I think he would faded into the background. However, as he is keeping up the momentum, he is on the right track.
Only time will tell though.
Over a single qualifying lap, it would be between Button and Hamilton. Coulthard isnt a strong qualifier though he is good in races, if a little unlucky.
Providing Hamilton can keep it on the road, I would say Hamilton would be fastest over a single lap, however, if I had to bet my house on it (and it really hurts me to say this) I would put my money on Button as he should be able to set the car up quicker and get the car around the track in one piece.
In any case, I think it would be very close between Button and Hamilton.
Of course, Alonso would beat all of em
Not sure I agree. Button is good but he doesn't have much experience setting up a winning car. He is good at extracting the last drips of performance from a crap car though.
Alonso is good also.
I think Hamilton is too despite his inexperience. Sometimes he gets it wrong (Silverstone last year for example) but on the whole he's pretty good. I reckon he will get better too.