2008 German GP - Race 10/18

Well wasn't a bad race I guess. Hamilton did a fair few very hard but fair passes. Massa shoulda go have a chat with Schuey he woulda took em both out (think long term ;)) Chuckled at moany on the radio as usual (hehe and fancy his 'rubbish' teammate getting Renaults 1st podium for how long).

I hope when it goes to the beeb they really dont emply that idiot Allen. I think the comment when Hamilton passed Massa about oh well perhaps Ferrari need to look at his lack of pace etc and put Alonso/Kubica in the car just annoyed me. Why well Mr team leader Kimi was 3 or 4 positions behind him and is behind him in the championship but he doesn't say "sack him now!!". Kimi is annoying it's like he just says "oh well got my xxx million for this race I'll sit back" - he just goes into limp home mode and usually close to the end slams some awesome lap in and you think wtf!???

Also I think when Brundle was on about Ron on the radio - heh yeah he used a codeword to Heikki. P45 thats all he needed as a code word ;)

Next season I want all tracks modified to sprinkle water at random intervals - makes for much better racing :D
 
1ofaKind said:
I think the comment when Hamilton passed Massa about oh well perhaps Ferrari need to look at his lack of pace etc and put Alonso/Kubica in the car just annoyed me. :D
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Yes this did anger me a little, and Im sure probably quite a few of the ITV viewers as well.

I didnt hear Allen make similar comments when Hamilton rammed Alonsos car in Bahrain or Kimi's car in Canada. Drivers have bad races and good races. Hamilton has had his share of bad races, now hes making the most of a good car in combination with excellent driving skill.

It was a dangerous comment to make, because now if Massa does win the championship and prove otherwise, Allen and ITV will sign off in a bad way.
 
sunama said:
Last year, after he got his head sorted out and understood that he would not be given preferential treatment and that he was not liked by most of the team, he outscored Hamilton (in the 2nd half of the season). I think Alonso was shocked that he was driving alongside a rookie who was actually able to match his own pace - something that took half a season for him to get over.
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Don't forget though Hamilton did throw a good few points away due to errors and inexperience towards the close of the season, likewise he's also made several notable errors this season.

I personally think Lewis is a natural talent (like Ronnie O'Sullivan is at snooker) but mentally and strategically he still has long way to go.

I agree with you in that I would've liked Alonso to grit his teeth and stayed at McLaren and challenge for the title, but alas he felt he was bigger than the car and could still be competitive at a lesser team.
 
1ofaKind said:
Also I think when Brundle was on about Ron on the radio - heh yeah he used a codeword to Heikki. P45 thats all he needed as a code word ;)
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LOL. Thats hilarious. 'P45' is all my boss would need to tell me and I will be totally letting Hamilton through. Hell, even if I had to fake a wrong gear change into neutral then so be it.
 
mmj_uk said:
Don't forget though Hamilton did throw a good few points away due to errors and inexperience towards the close of the season, likewise he's also made several notable errors this season.
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When I said that Alonso is as good a driver as Hamilton, I meant in their current (or even last year's form). This includes any mental traits that they are currently carrying. I believe that Hamilton will go on to become (close to) unbeatable, very soon, but right now, I still see Alonso as the only guy who can match and probably surpass Hamilton's points total, in the same car. This may no longer be the case next year, as Hamilton will have improved further.

People forget that last year, Alonso was driving under serious mental pressure, from his team. He had virtually no back up. In his head, he probably believed that his own mechanics/race engineer wanted him to lose. He probably convinced himself of this. And when you are not on talking terms with most of your work colleagues, this makes the whole, "you are not wanted here", even more believable.

Most drivers would have fallen apart under these working conditions, but Alonso held on. Hamilton, meanwhile, was the guy who was buckling under pressure. When he saw Alonso go past him in the final race of the season he pannicked.

The safety car issue does need to be looked at, especially when cars are allowed to unlap themselves. At least in IndyCar, the lapped cars stay behind the leader, so although the leader loses any big lead he might have built up, he still has a few lapped cars in between himself and the cars behind.

Hamilton was about 1s/lap faster than everybody else today, when he needed to be and it wouldve been a travesty had he not won today's race.
 
I knew seeing the end of that race would bring up some good arguing on this forum!
a lot of ferrari lovers here, no doubt about it, and it was great to see that ending for anyone whos not!

Neo4 said:
As biased as the FIA towards Ferrari perhaps?
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Quote for truth.
Perfect
 
My problem with Hamilton is basically the same problem I had with M Schumacher. I have massive respect for his driving talents, but I just hated him!! I hated that he was so good and practically won everything, and no one else could touch him. It meant boring racing, and basically watching the "best of the rest" for years.
Its going the same way with Lewis, the fact that he's sometimes so far ahead, paired with the press constantly blowing his trumpet I just cant bring myself to like him.
I guess I became a Kimi fan when he looked like the only person with a chance of beating schumy and we had to have someone do it eventually!
Watching the highlights last night (watched the race live too) it was obvious that more than a few cars were struggling with their setup in the race. Thats two races now where a combination of a well setup McLaren and Lewis at the wheel has meant he was a country mile ahead of the pack. Realistically the Ferrari's were the only ones ever going to compete with him this weekend, and they both looked like they were struggling, Kimi especially. I seem to remember Martin B saying that perhaps the Ferrari is a bit harder to setup than the McLaren is.
Despite total Lewis domination in the last two races, I still think that the Ferrari is the ultimately faster car, and once they are in the groove you will see that.
 
Why did Massa first block the inside line but then suddenly move to the left opening the door letting Hamilton thru, did he give up :confused:
 
Dutch Guy said:
Why did Massa first block the inside line but then suddenly move to the left opening the door letting Hamilton thru, did he give up :confused:
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Lol yeah maybe ron was on the radio to him too! Nelson did the same thing, just gave him the overtake, well not as easily as massa did mind you.
 
mmj_uk said:
I personally think Lewis is a natural talent (like Ronnie O'Sullivan is at snooker) but mentally and strategically he still has long way to go.

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Mentally you are probably right - however I would question strategy as this is usually done with the whole team in mind rather than just what the driver wants (until the driver is a lot more experienced )

Just my take on it though

sunama said:
People forget that last year, Alonso was driving under serious mental pressure, from his team. He had virtually no back up. In his head, he probably believed that his own mechanics/race engineer wanted him to lose. He probably convinced himself of this. And when you are not on talking terms with most of your work colleagues, this makes the whole, "you are not wanted here", even more believable.

Most drivers would have fallen apart under these working conditions, but Alonso held on. Hamilton, meanwhile, was the guy who was buckling under pressure. When he saw Alonso go past him in the final race of the season he pannicked.
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Only person to blame for Alonso's mental problem last year was himself - of course he had backup all his engineers and pit crew where backing him and being as effective as possible - it was Alonso that beat himself, no one else

With an engine that wasnt working correctly I think anyone who still had sight of the Championship in the last race (esp considering what happened in previoous race) would have panicked just seeing cars streaming past you

Alonso shouldnt have needed anything apart from the best car (or equally the best car alongside the Ferrari) to beat hamilton last year, but he continued to get heated over having equality in the team
 
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Looks like Brundle is taking his 'holiday' in time for Hungary in two weeks time, and Damon Hill will be taking his place in the commentary box.

I recall we had this conversation last year, but does anyone know why he doesn't go to Hungary? Something about him not being allowed in the country for some reason?
 
robbiemc said:
Looks like Brundle is taking his 'holiday' in time for Hungary in two weeks time, and Damon Hill will be taking his place in the commentary box.

I recall we had this conversation last year, but does anyone know why he doesn't go to Hungary? Something about him not being allowed in the country for some reason?
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Ah yes, I forgot about that :p
 
Seems I may have been reading last years news about Hill commentating - doh, my Google skills failed me!
Still, it does look like he'll not be there again this year, it's surely not co-incidence that he misses this event every year. I honestly can't see ITV being happy about a commentator taking holiday during a race weekend after all.
 
Brundle used to take a holiday this time of year because of Le Mans - which he drove in every year (was Hungry slightly earlier in the schedule ?)

I think it would be great to have DH in the commentary box - could get Anthony Davidson (as he is no longer driving) , he commentated on Jenson's win around Hungary and seemed to be pretty good for his first go
 
I think AD would be a good replacement (maybe even for the beeb next year). IIRC he's on Five Live radio so may not be on ITV for the Hungarian GP though.
 
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