I just think if they are going to start punishing people for understeering off the track and "nearly" hitting people, they have opened a whole can of worms that can never be closed. Oh look Hamilton just agressively overtook someone...danger....penalty.
2008 Japanese GP - Race 16/18
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Hamilton can still win this if he comes second every race.
He better do whats hes told next race and take his ****ing time.
He just needs to be infront of Massa and Big Nose, the finishing place is irrelevant.
Yes but I think his point is that if Hamilton comes 2nd in both races he wins regardless of anyone elses position.
Now that Alonso is in the hunt for race wins, its good to see that he is antagonising Hamilton.
If these were the old days of motor racing, Alonso would do everything to qualify next to Hamilton and then take him out of the race at the first corner. In fact, in the days of old, he would first announce to the media that he would do that, and would then see it through after the lights turned green.
I would like to see Hamilton win the WDC, however, I feel that he is making too many silly errors. I think he is faster than Alonso, however, what Alonso has over him is the ability to know when to pull back and play safe.
If these were the old days of motor racing, Alonso would do everything to qualify next to Hamilton and then take him out of the race at the first corner. In fact, in the days of old, he would first announce to the media that he would do that, and would then see it through after the lights turned green.
I would like to see Hamilton win the WDC, however, I feel that he is making too many silly errors. I think he is faster than Alonso, however, what Alonso has over him is the ability to know when to pull back and play safe.
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Alonso is going to get revenge and and help out massa. For sure 
...and the Stewards penalising Hamilton for gaining an advantage.
Chances of Raikkonen punting Lewis off at the next GP if he can get anywhere near him?
...and the Stewards banning McLaren from the final race for getting in Ferraris way.
Chances of Massa spinning off every lap if it rains in China?
...and the Stewards banning Force India from F1 for being the closest geographically located team and therefore having an effect over the weather that unfairly disalowed Massa to win the race.
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You forgot the part where "the internet" bitched and moaned about everything in the sport but continued to watch.
But thats the truth, consistent, and fair... It has no business being mentioned in the same scentance as 'FIA' and 'Stewards'.
I think I woke up half the street when LH was facing the wrong way with nowhere to go.
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You could say the inconsitancy of the stewards remains consistant and therefore doesn't need to be mentioned every time.
I wonder where the Lewis fans sit on the penalty Kubica got in Japan last year for him being on the inside of Lewis holding the corner, they collided and Lewis spun, Kubica was given a penalty for daring to race Lewis. Was that to help Ferrari as well or to protect Lewis from further people trying to race him?
As unbiased as I can be I do think the penalty Lewis got was harsh but fair - the way I see it is that any accident was avoided not because of his actions (when you are locked up you are just a spectator) but because of the cars around him having the nonce and reflexes to go around him.
Now I know it happens a lot but because of what he did (I think it has to be given that it was a concious decision for him to go into that corner in that position, at that speed and brake as late as he did) it genuinely affected other drivers race around him where the net result was that they became disadvantaged. Indeed the HK incident could be seen as either a separate incident or a knock-on effect to what Lewis had done...
Lets pretend it was a normal overtaking manoeuvre and only LH and KR were involved - coming into that corner KR was ahead but due to LHs actions he got a net gain over KR, which in todays interpretations would either made him give up the spot or serve a drive-through like he did...
No doubt Id be shot down for this - but taking it at face value LH attempted to do a pass on KR which didnt work and gave the net result that he gained an unfair advantage...
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Now I know it happens a lot but because of what he did (I think it has to be given that it was a concious decision for him to go into that corner in that position, at that speed and brake as late as he did) it genuinely affected other drivers race around him where the net result was that they became disadvantaged. Indeed the HK incident could be seen as either a separate incident or a knock-on effect to what Lewis had done...
Lets pretend it was a normal overtaking manoeuvre and only LH and KR were involved - coming into that corner KR was ahead but due to LHs actions he got a net gain over KR, which in todays interpretations would either made him give up the spot or serve a drive-through like he did...
No doubt Id be shot down for this - but taking it at face value LH attempted to do a pass on KR which didnt work and gave the net result that he gained an unfair advantage...
ps3ud0
As unbiased as I can be I do think the penalty Lewis got was harsh but fair - the way I see it is that any accident was avoided not because of his actions (when you are locked up you are just a spectator) but because of the cars around him having the nonce and reflexes to go around him.
Now I know it happens a lot but because of what he did (I think it has to be given that it was a concious decision for him to go into that corner in that position, at that speed and brake as late as he did) it genuinely affected other drivers race around him where the net result was that they became disadvantaged. Indeed the HK incident could be seen as either a separate incident or a knock-on effect to what Lewis had done...
Lets pretend it was a normal overtaking manoeuvre and only LH and KR were involved - coming into that corner KR was ahead but due to LHs actions he got a net gain over KR, which in todays interpretations would either made him give up the spot or serve a drive-through like he did...
No doubt Id be shot down for this - but taking it at face value LH attempted to do a pass on KR which didnt work and gave the net result that he gained an unfair advantage...
ps3ud0
What you say makes sence. Its the fact that no other incident of the same type has bene punished this way before. And lets face it, a guy diving deep and outbreaking himself forcing both parties to go offline isnt exactly rare is it. Even LH did it himself in Brazil last year against Barrichello
What Im trying to say is that the incident could be taking as an extension of the new ruling regards overtaking while cutting the track (lets call it an contentious manoeuvre). Perhaps what LH did could be seen as taking unfair advantage after doing a contentious move...
I know its probably a bit of wishful thinking and I totally agree that the FIA at the best of times seem to be making rules as they go along, Im just trying to make sense using the parameters the FIA have defined at present...
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I know its probably a bit of wishful thinking and I totally agree that the FIA at the best of times seem to be making rules as they go along, Im just trying to make sense using the parameters the FIA have defined at present...
ps3ud0
What Im trying to say is that the incident could be taking as an extension of the new ruling regards overtaking while cutting the track (lets call it an contentious manoeuvre). Perhaps what LH did could be seen as taking unfair advantage after doing a contentious move...
I know its probably a bit of wishful thinking and I totally agree that the FIA at the best of times seem to be making rules as they go along, Im just trying to make sense using the parameters the FIA have defined at present...
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But gaining an advantage was not the offence. He was penalised for "forcing another driver off the track". We have to try to make sence of the rulling using those parameters. Did he force another driver off the track - yes. Is this something that countless people have done countless times without deliberate intent (therefore not including ramming people on purpose) and have seen no investigation or penalty - yes. Is this something that even LH himself has done a few times recently - yes. The whole decision confuses me.
I wish they would publicise transcripts of the stewards discussions like they do for the court cases.
Well to me it seems common sense that if he forced another driver off the track that he is gaining some sort of advantage, it may not be the one I describe but I very much doubt if LH was worse off in the incident that he would have been penalised (waiting for the F.I.A. brigade to appear :/)...
If it is indeed an extension of latest clarity of overtaking etiquette then its irrelevant if its happened before...
TBH you make a good point about not trying to interpret the FIA rulings - its water under the bridge and rarely leads to healthy discussion...
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If it is indeed an extension of latest clarity of overtaking etiquette then its irrelevant if its happened before...
TBH you make a good point about not trying to interpret the FIA rulings - its water under the bridge and rarely leads to healthy discussion...
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