Poll: *** 2010 General Election Result & Discussion ***

[D.P.]

Also pay VAT on glasses, which is absolute BS.

Not sure on this, I thought there is a rnage of glasses etc that are VAT free.

When ever I buy new glasses the optician always shows me a collection of super cheap frames, like £15-20 each. These I assumed were VAT free.




But I don't know this for sure. If VAT is paid on the lenses then this is perhaps an unfair tax.

Anyway, you can buy a pair of glasses with lenses for £15 the increase in VAt means these would cost 37p more. those hardworing low paid people can forgo a bag of crisps and still afford the glasses.

 

[Energize]

Not sure on this, I thought there is a rnage of glasses etc that are VAT free.

When ever I buy new glasses the optician always shows me a collection of super cheap frames, like £15-20 each. These I assumed were VAT free.

Glasses are at least £25 at specsavers where I go.

Anyway look at this for unfair taxes.

http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/vat/forms-rates/rates/goods-services.htm

Mobility aids for the elderly 5%
Smoking cessation products 5%
Maternity pads 5%
Sanitary protection products 5%
Electricity for domestic and residential use 5%
Gas for domestic and residential use 5%
Heating oil for domestic and residential use 5%
Solid fuel for domestic and residential use 5%
Energy savings materials/solar panels/wind turbines 17.5%
Children's safety equipment 5%
Petrol 65%

All taxed essentials.

 

[deuse]

Glasses are at least £25 at specsavers where I go.

Anyway look at this for unfair taxes.

http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/vat/forms-rates/rates/goods-services.htm

Mobility aids for the elderly 5%
Smoking cessation products 5%
Maternity pads 5%
Sanitary protection products 5%
Electricity for domestic and residential use 5%
Gas for domestic and residential use 5%
Heating oil for domestic and residential use 5%
Solid fuel for domestic and residential use 5%
Energy savings materials/solar panels/wind turbines 17.5%
Children's safety equipment 5%
Petrol 65%

All taxed essentials.

Hearing Aids 6-8%

Everything is taxed directly or indirectly in the UK

 

[div0]

Energy savings materials/solar panels/wind turbines 17.5%

All taxed essentials.

I question your definition of essentials.

 

[dannyjo22]

Geeez questiontime is quite heated tonight! lol

I loved the little asian guy from New statesman absolutely handing them all their backsides. Even the Women from the daily fail ripped the tories and Libs apart.

Hesiltine had no answers when the guy from the new statesmen had quotes from Cameron that had turned out to be lies.

The guy said they have handed labour their own posters already for 2015 which will be 100% true, they will be able to say vote Clegg get Cameron.

Just about everyone even the audience said the libs had now lost any identity and had sold them self out for the price of cameron actually giving next to nothing away.

It's a shame we can't do a poll now from the people who voted lib on this thread who wouldn't again because of the values they had that they dropped.

Question time is well worth watching if you missed it because you get a good feeling of what a joke with no identity the libs have become in peoples eyes.

 

[Glaucus]

Glasses are at least £25 at specsavers where I go.

Anyway look at this for unfair taxes.

http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/vat/forms-rates/rates/goods-services.htm

Mobility aids for the elderly 5%
Smoking cessation products 5%
Maternity pads 5%
Sanitary protection products 5%
Electricity for domestic and residential use 5%
Gas for domestic and residential use 5%
Heating oil for domestic and residential use 5%
Solid fuel for domestic and residential use 5%

Children's safety equipment 5%

All taxed essentials.


Petrol 65%
Energy savings materials/solar panels/wind turbines 17.5%

why are those two in that list, neither are remotely essential.

Non of which is at 17.5% and so wont be affected by the increase.
The increase will not hit the poor, unless they are buying outside of their means. Pretty much everything essential is reduced vat or zero vat.

 

[stockhausen]

I believe that Question Time for Thursday May 13th with Lords Heseltine and Falconer, Simon Hughes, Melanie Phillips of the Daily Wail and Mehdi Hasan, the Political Editor of the New Statesman is currently available HERE - I will watch it later today.

 

[dannyjo22]

I believe that Question Time for Thursday May 13th with Lords Heseltine and Falconer, Simon Hughes, Melanie Phillips of the Daily Wail and Mehdi Hasan, the Political Editor of the New Statesman is currently available HERE - I will watch it later today.

Its well worth a watch, you can feel how comical the public and especially Lib Dem voters view the coalition.

They even had a pop about how the position of Deputy PM is a non job, even Heseltine said for Clegg it was a non job because when he had the role it was about 100% supporting Major and being his back up man, something Clegg cannot do.

The comment was also made on how long they think it will be until Clegg full on defects to the tories to maintain a small piece of power.

I reckon the lib dems will have lost a few hundred thousand votes atleast in the next election.

 

[Mr Jack]

Its well worth a watch, you can feel how comical the public and especially Lib Dem voters view the coalition.

I think we'll gain votes if it's a successful government, and lose the otherwise. Being part of the government will help to remove the air of unelectability that has historically held us back.

I'm really embarrassed by my fellow Lib Dem voters who are whining over this: what did you think you were voting for when you supported Proportional Representation, you morons? A fundamental key to the kind of democratic system I want to see is that it requires parties to get together and compromise.

 

[lazer46]

I agree. Its great to see 2 parties get together and try to work things out. Lets just give them a chance to sort things out.

 

[Glaucus]

I'm really embarrassed by my fellow Lib Dem voters who are whining over this:

I wouldn't be surprised if they lost a lot of core voters, but gained them back in the x-factor/facebook mob. Who really don't have a clue about PR or politics in general and just jumped on a bandwagon and thought LD had a chance of an all out win.

 

[Energize]

I question your definition of essentials.

Power is essential and renewable energy is something the government is promoting us to do. However feel free to ignore that one and actually rebut my post instead of ignoring it.

why are those two in that list, neither are remotely essential.

If you're a sponger I agree petrol isn't essential, for those of us that have to get to work by any transport method using petrol, ie car, taxi or bus, it is not a luxury however.

Non of which is at 17.5% and so wont be affected by the increase.
The increase will not hit the poor, unless they are buying outside of their means. Pretty much everything essential is reduced vat or zero vat.

As I have said before toiletries are taxed as are many foods. All food at pubs/resturants is taxed. It is undeniable that many essentials are unfairly taxed.

 

[Glaucus]

Power generation is essential and renewable energy is soemthing the government is promoting us to do. However feel free to ignore that one and actually rebut my post.

It can be ignored as it costs thousands, most people can't afford it, let alone the poor.

energy is an essential and thats 5%, generation is not essential.

 

[antijoke]

Last nights question time really did show the type of person who voted Lib Dem, they all seemed like your typical X-Factor/Facebook generation who thought that Lib Dem's were wonderful and full of promise.

 

[Energize]

Last nights question time really did show the type of person who voted Lib Dem, they all seemed like your typical X-Factor/Facebook generation who thought that Lib Dem's were wonderful and full of promise.

A tiny biased selection of the public is of course representative of the entire voting demographic...

 

[antijoke]

Well I was also going on the fact that it's all I heard on the radio as well, your early twenties/just out of uni type saying they wil vote for Lib Dem as they are a breath of fresh air etc etc, it wasn't just based on last nights program, but it seemed to re-inforce that sterotype.

 

[Dolph]

Well I was also going on the fact that it's all I heard on the radio as well, your early twenties/just out of uni type saying they wil vote for Lib Dem as they are a breath of fresh air etc etc, it wasn't just based on last nights program, but it seemed to re-inforce that sterotype.

The ironic thing is that this new government really is a breath of fresh air, many of the proposals are massive changes from the status quo (including the referendum on AV and an elected house of Lords done by PR, fixed term parliaments, party funding reform and so on).

If the whingers stopped and actually looked at what is planned, they would realise it's far more progressive than anything Labour could or have offered...

 

[div0]

However feel free to ignore that one and actually rebut my post instead of ignoring it.

Your post was about 'unfair' taxes.

I'm not sure how a 5% tax on the other items is considered inherently 'unfair', even if you do consider them to be essentials. Which I'm not entirely sure I agree that they are.

For example, heating is only an essential up to a certain point. Provided that you can heat your house to a certain temperature (say about 18-21C), then that is what could be considered essential. However if someone wants to heat their house above that, then that is a luxury.

As you cannot easily provide fuel at different rates, based on the current temperature of someone's house - then I think the 5% reduced tax is a fair way to deal with providing this fuel. The poorest people can then be targeted in other ways to help ensure they can heat their home to the minimum 'essential' temperature.

 

[Luseac]

Last nights question time really did show the type of person who voted Lib Dem, they all seemed like your typical X-Factor/Facebook generation who thought that Lib Dem's were wonderful and full of promise.

One of the reasons I dislike watching Question Time these days, the political make-up of the audience is so predominantly left it's not funny.

 

[stockhausen]

... I'm really embarrassed by my fellow Lib Dem voters who are whining over this: what did you think you were voting for when you supported Proportional Representation? ...

Probably not that the Liberal Democrats would end up propping up a Tory government

... A fundamental key to the kind of democratic system I want to see is that it requires parties to get together and compromise.

And maybe that will actually happen; so far we have only had vague promises of a "referendum" on what seems also to be a pretty unfair electoral system. We shall see.