Again this is the root of the problem. An F1 car isn't a Jazz or Clio. Sure they might share some of the same technology in principle, but the engine requirements of each are miles apart.
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I'm all for more torque, better & fair competition, state of the art technology, just don't hack the main sensory element of F1 away. There is a massive deal being made out of it because people are realising how amazing the whirl of that noise is to the overall experience, whether its watching it on the tv or being trackside.
"You don't realise what you have until you lose it" is quite befitting...
"You don't realise what you have until you lose it" is quite befitting...
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We hates it really really hates it precious almost as much as nasty hobbitses!
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I still really don't see the big deal, and I love the noise of a great engine as much as anyone else.
Hulking great V8s are not the pinnacle of motorsport and have no place in F1 any more. This is progress. As I said before, it will all be forgotten about a few races in. Just like in 2009 with the HUGE wide front wings, and taller thinner rear wings, Kers, Traction control, etc. All were a storm in a teacup. The average F1 fan will not care or probably even notice if it was not pointed out to them!
Storm in a teacup
*edit* The F1 sites, magazines and blogs needed something to bleat about anyway before the season kicks off for real, so is suppose the "uproar" was to be expected.
Hulking great V8s are not the pinnacle of motorsport and have no place in F1 any more. This is progress. As I said before, it will all be forgotten about a few races in. Just like in 2009 with the HUGE wide front wings, and taller thinner rear wings, Kers, Traction control, etc. All were a storm in a teacup. The average F1 fan will not care or probably even notice if it was not pointed out to them!
Storm in a teacup
*edit* The F1 sites, magazines and blogs needed something to bleat about anyway before the season kicks off for real, so is suppose the "uproar" was to be expected.
I don't think this is the same as wings, Kers etc. It's much more fundamental to the whole F1 experience.I still really don't see the big deal, and I love the noise of a great engine as much as anyone else.
Hulking great V8s are not the pinnacle of motorsport and have no place in F1 any more. This is progress. As I said before, it will all be forgotten about a few races in. Just like in 2009 with the HUGE wide front wings, and taller thinner rear wings, Kers, Traction control, etc. All were a storm in a teacup. The average F1 fan will not care or probably even notice if it was not pointed out to them!
Storm in a teacup
*edit* The F1 sites, magazines and blogs needed something to bleat about anyway before the season kicks off for real, so is suppose the "uproar" was to be expected.
Huh? There is no definition of "proper F1" and in any case F1 is nothing if it isn't popular and well supported.
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Indeed. But that includes competitors and manufacturers as well as fans.
The Promoter of the recent Australian Grand Prix is not happy at all.
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...engines--the-sound-is-a-disgrace-9213265.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...engines--the-sound-is-a-disgrace-9213265.html
A race promoter who is threatened year on year that they will lose their race if they don't move to a night race, who's almost at the end of their current contract so need to negotiate a price for a new one, and who's threat is to drop the V6 turbo F1 race in favour of... the V6 turbo IndyCar series 
Its a weak argument. He needs promoters who are firmly in F1s pocket (state funded races with long contracts) to join him to put some weight behind it.
But still I go back to my main point, what does he expect the FIA to do? Change to another engine formula after only one season, throwing away the millions of pounds spent creating the V6s and giving manufacturers 8 months to design and build new engines? Being sued by an angry race promoter will be nothing compared to being sued by Honda, Renault, Ferrari and Mercedes for the wasted development costs, 6 years of lost earnings from selling the engines, and other damages!
People clearly don't like it, that's fine. But realistically, other than a dump valve and some tweaks, what do you realistically think is going to happen? It's done. F1 is quieter. Accept it and move on.
Its a weak argument. He needs promoters who are firmly in F1s pocket (state funded races with long contracts) to join him to put some weight behind it.
But still I go back to my main point, what does he expect the FIA to do? Change to another engine formula after only one season, throwing away the millions of pounds spent creating the V6s and giving manufacturers 8 months to design and build new engines? Being sued by an angry race promoter will be nothing compared to being sued by Honda, Renault, Ferrari and Mercedes for the wasted development costs, 6 years of lost earnings from selling the engines, and other damages!
People clearly don't like it, that's fine. But realistically, other than a dump valve and some tweaks, what do you realistically think is going to happen? It's done. F1 is quieter. Accept it and move on.
A race promoter who is threatened year on year that they will lose their race if they don't move to a night race, who's almost at the end of their current contract so need to negotiate a price for a new one, and who's threat is to drop the V6 turbo F1 race in favour of... the V6 turbo IndyCar series
Its a weak argument. He needs promoters who are firmly in F1s pocket (state funded races with long contracts) to join him to put some weight behind it.
But still I go back to my main point, what does he expect the FIA to do? Change to another engine formula after only one season, throwing away the millions of pounds spent creating the V6s and giving manufacturers 8 months to design and build new engines? Being sued by an angry race promoter will be nothing compared to being sued by Honda, Renault, Ferrari and Mercedes for the wasted development costs, 6 years of lost earnings from selling the engines, and other damages!
People clearly don't like it, that's fine. But realistically, other than a dump valve and some tweaks, what do you realistically think is going to happen? It's done. F1 is quieter. Accept it and move on.
You were doing OK until your last 8 words. Nobody has to accept anything, not least those that ultimately finance F1 - the fans.
There was over 5 race promoters that said they will renegotiate the contract if the sound is lacking.
Bernie has already said the teams maybe getting less money this year as he has to give some back to the tracks.
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...engines--the-sound-is-a-disgrace-9213265.html
So it costs a track about 17ml a year to host F1 but Indcar is coming to Europe in 2015 and are asking 2.2ml a year.
I can see promoters having a slice of the action.
So it costs a track about 17ml a year to host F1 but Indcar is coming to Europe in 2015 and are asking 2.2ml a year.
I can see promoters having a slice of the action.
It will be interesting to see how europeans take to Indy Car
Im not convinced it will be a sustainablely huge attraction
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Interesting stats here from Twitter..
https://twitter.com/f1fanatic_co_uk/status/444892216968753152/photo/1
So, of all the fans, less than a third are saying the engine sound is worse. Only 12% are saying it is very bad...
https://twitter.com/f1fanatic_co_uk/status/444892216968753152/photo/1
So, of all the fans, less than a third are saying the engine sound is worse. Only 12% are saying it is very bad...
cant see the poll so excuse me if these are indicated;
1) Have all of these (ever) been to a live race previously?
2) Long standing fans or just casual observers (or anyone on the "street")?
Im sure there are some more relevant questions - like Politicians, you can get a survey to say anything you want if "geared" in the right way
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