Poll: 2014 F1 engines
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I am with Spie. F1 has lost a big part of what made it special with these new engine sounds. The sound of a V8,V10 e.t.c. revving to 18k rpm was glorious and iconic. You heard that noise and you immediately went "yeh...F1 
". These 1.6l 6 cylinder engines that rev to only ~12k sound incredibly naff in comparison and this sound will never become iconic or synonymous with anything ( except for how rubbish F1 cars now sound..)
People saying it isn't a big issue or a big part of F1....well I disagree. We only have 5 senses to comprehend what is going on in this world...sight, sound, touch, taste and smell. As we watch F1 from our living rooms we can only use two of those to comprehend what is going on and now half of that comprehension has been made less special.....
". These 1.6l 6 cylinder engines that rev to only ~12k sound incredibly naff in comparison and this sound will never become iconic or synonymous with anything ( except for how rubbish F1 cars now sound..) People saying it isn't a big issue or a big part of F1....well I disagree. We only have 5 senses to comprehend what is going on in this world...sight, sound, touch, taste and smell. As we watch F1 from our living rooms we can only use two of those to comprehend what is going on and now half of that comprehension has been made less special.....
Apart from going to Silverstone a good few years ago, where the sound was absolutely awe-inspiring, I only watch this on TV. The sound was never reflected properly on TV anyway, so I don't think it matters so much.
For people at the live event I'm sure its not the same, but that's a miniscule percentage of the overall audience. At least now people track-side can probably hear the PA.
The advance in engineering is well worth it, I think, but I wouldn't be surprised if there aren't manifold changes pending to try to get some of it back.
The sheer power of a single engine sparking up in the pit-lane, and then a full grid setting off was one of the most memorable experiences of the whole day. But I think I would still prefer to see the pinnacle of motorsport engineering on the grid.
That said, I wonder what Formula-E sounds like in person - probably harder to sell tickets to that. From Bernie's side, if you can't fill seats, its harder to sell TV rights. The vast majority won't care about propeller-head achievement if the overall experience is diminished.
For people at the live event I'm sure its not the same, but that's a miniscule percentage of the overall audience. At least now people track-side can probably hear the PA.
The advance in engineering is well worth it, I think, but I wouldn't be surprised if there aren't manifold changes pending to try to get some of it back.
The sheer power of a single engine sparking up in the pit-lane, and then a full grid setting off was one of the most memorable experiences of the whole day. But I think I would still prefer to see the pinnacle of motorsport engineering on the grid.
That said, I wonder what Formula-E sounds like in person - probably harder to sell tickets to that. From Bernie's side, if you can't fill seats, its harder to sell TV rights. The vast majority won't care about propeller-head achievement if the overall experience is diminished.
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These engines sound utter junk and remove part of the spectacle.
As long as we get decent racing, will put up with it though.
High revving V10s were awesome, but I liked the noise of the V8s just as much.
As long as we get decent racing, will put up with it though.
High revving V10s were awesome, but I liked the noise of the V8s just as much.
Making the hair stand up on the back of neck, unreal. I never realised how much i would miss the sound
Agreed. I don't care how good the racing might be, it will never be the same.Making the hair stand up on the back of neck, unreal. I never realised how much i would miss the sound
In any case, once the teams have got to grips with this new technology, it will all be about aero again.
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This is a really difficult one for me, im car mad, thats why i have a wrx in the garage, why a wrx though, the sound. the speed, the looks?, f1 for me is the same, why do i go every year, theres nothing quite like it, when your outside of the circuit waiting to park up and you hear them
well its just fantastic.
But why do i go, is it the sound, speed, drivers, teams, the racing, Im on the fence at the moment.
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well its just fantastic.But why do i go, is it the sound, speed, drivers, teams, the racing, Im on the fence at the moment.
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There isn't really an exhaust system, just a short pipe on the back of the turbo. The Turbo is muffling the noise.
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There isn't really an exhaust system, just a short pipe on the back of the turbo. The Turbo is muffling the noise.
See to me thats just a thing of beauty, the work thats gone in to that
People don't have to "suck it up". As the poll demonstrates, so far less than half of those who responded actually like the new F1 sound.
People watch F1 for pleasure. If the experience becomes less pleasurable then F1 will become less popular and will suffer financially, which ultimately is why it exists.
Unless 'people' are going to change the global shift in the consumer car market towards smaller more efficient engines, then yes, they do have to suck it up.
The FIA aren't going to backtrack just because some fans are crying about the noise. As people have said, the V8 was dead. An 8 year old engine that would have seen F1 with 2 (at most) engine manufacturers. The V6 means we have 4 next year.
There are far bigger turn offs to F1 than the noise of the engine, especially considering most people watch on TV so have no idea what they are missing. The tyre issues, the lack of overtaking, the same guy winning all the time, etc.
If all you care about in F1 is the noise then maybe you should be a bit more open minded? Its just engine noise being quieter, the way your bleeting on makes it sound like they have completely killed the sport.
But this thread is a good idea. Like the 'Then vs Now' thread it should keep the constant complaining out of the race threads every weekend.
The FIA aren't going to backtrack just because some fans are crying about the noise. As people have said, the V8 was dead. An 8 year old engine that would have seen F1 with 2 (at most) engine manufacturers. The V6 means we have 4 next year.
There are far bigger turn offs to F1 than the noise of the engine, especially considering most people watch on TV so have no idea what they are missing. The tyre issues, the lack of overtaking, the same guy winning all the time, etc.
If all you care about in F1 is the noise then maybe you should be a bit more open minded? Its just engine noise being quieter, the way your bleeting on makes it sound like they have completely killed the sport.
But this thread is a good idea. Like the 'Then vs Now' thread it should keep the constant complaining out of the race threads every weekend.
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You don't get it do you? Watching F1 is not compulsory, so they don't have to "suck it up" at all.
I'm done with you anyway. Looking at the tone of your posts you are clearly looking for a fight. You won't get it from me.
Moving on, I wonder what the current poll results would be if we were discussing V8, V10 or V12 F1 engines? A bit more positive I'd suggest.
I'm done with you anyway. Looking at the tone of your posts you are clearly looking for a fight. You won't get it from me.
Moving on, I wonder what the current poll results would be if we were discussing V8, V10 or V12 F1 engines? A bit more positive I'd suggest.
Why don't you start a poll on DRS? Or the tyre rules? The reliance on Aero? The double points? The budget restrictions?
There are plenty of problems with F1 that have been around for ages. Just because you think the engine noise is such a big issue doesn't mean it's the biggest problem for F1 globally, and doesn't mean you can go around beating people down with your "been watching it 40 years" authority "really no need for that, was there?"
The noise sucks, I know. Your really annoyed about it, we get it. But your "your opinion doesn't count because it differs from my opinion" attitude you strolled into this thread with is unneasasary.
There are plenty of problems with F1 that have been around for ages. Just because you think the engine noise is such a big issue doesn't mean it's the biggest problem for F1 globally, and doesn't mean you can go around beating people down with your "been watching it 40 years" authority "really no need for that, was there?"
The noise sucks, I know. Your really annoyed about it, we get it. But your "your opinion doesn't count because it differs from my opinion" attitude you strolled into this thread with is unneasasary.
That would be awesome if they could, maybe we should get some sort of petition going
Yea, tbh..it's pretty much the nail in the coffin for me. I've always watched Moto GP as well because the 'actual racing' is second to none. I will still watch it of course, i can't not, it's like a knee jerk reaction to see what's happening when a race is on. But i won't jumping out of bed like i used to for the start...
I've been watching F1 since i was 7, i'm 27 now, not as long as some people but still, like i said earlier in the thread, it's wounding. Reading the paper and watching the F1 cars zoom around isn't the same..
It's not that we just care about the noise,, like i said just above, it's the ultimate nail to the middle of the forehead. The same guy winning, the lack of 'actual overtaking', the increase of tactical (pit stops/Shumi) overtaking during those years, general bozo's at the gp's have all played a huge part in F1 becoming what we see in front of us. It's cr*p now. I'll still watch it of course, but...you know..
Gotta have a rant somewhere
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I am neutral.
The new engines sound crap, but I understand that F1 engines need modernising.
I felt that now the noise is gone, part of the thrill has too.
Melbourne sounded awful.
The new engines sound crap, but I understand that F1 engines need modernising.
I felt that now the noise is gone, part of the thrill has too.
Melbourne sounded awful.
It did, but I enjoyed the racing and the twitchy cars and the technology.
The V6s sound pants, but its a nessasary evil for F1 to survive. There are also far bigger issues that need sorting.
However, taking the engine technology in isolation, they are fantastic! I love that they fit with Le Mans rules. Hopefully a few WEC and USC cars will take them on. Plus, development of turbo energy recovery systems is awesome. I can't wait to have ERS powered anti lag in my road car.
F1 is the wrong place for ERS technology, but it is the best global stage with which to showcase the technology so its picked up by other areas.