2022 mini-budget discussion

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I wonder if anything will come of the Truss meeting with the OBR today? Apparently it's highly unusual for a PM to be present.
Given how Truss came across on those radio interviews (She sounds extremely dense and generally not interested) I'd be surprised if she even understands what is going on.
 
That's an utterly cringe-worthy attempt to shut down any continued discussion or inspection of @thenewoc's claim.

He says that cutting red tape will balance the mini-budget, I've asked him for an example of that red tape.

The fact that you don't want that claim discussed in any detail, speaks absolute volumes.

No I said reducing the size of the state would help balance the budget because smaller public services cost less. You really need to stop taking things out of context. Cutting red tape makes businesses more efficient and that makes them more likely to expand and provide more jobs.
 
No I said reducing the size of the state would help balance the budget because smaller public services cost less. You really need to stop taking things out of context. Cutting red tape makes businesses more efficient and that makes them more likely to expand and provide more jobs.

So which public services do you wish to cut after 12 years of austerity? Seems like Truss's team are going for the easy target, removing the triple lock pension. I suppose we could reduce the number of nurses, doctors and police as well.
 
No I said reducing the size of the state would help balance the budget because smaller public services cost less.

Okay, can you give me an example of where you think we should be cutting public services, how much you think it will save, and explain why you think this will benefit us and the country?

Cutting red tape makes businesses more efficient and that makes them more likely to expand and provide more jobs.

Can you give me an example of the red-tape that you would like to see cut, and explain how doing so will make companies more efficient and lead to more jobs?
 
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Okay, can you give me an example of where you think we should be cutting public services, how much you think it will save, and explain why you think this will benefit us and the country?



Can you give me an example of the red-tape that you would like to see cut, and explain how doing so will make companies more efficient and lead to more jobs?
WTF?
 
Okay, can you give me an example of where you think we should be cutting public services, how much you think it will save, and explain why you think this will benefit us and the country?



Can you give me an example of the red-tape that you would like to see cut, and explain how doing so will make companies more efficient and lead to more jobs?
I think that was for thenewoc. Forum glitch again.
 
So which public services do you wish to cut after 12 years of austerity? Seems like Truss's team are going for the easy target, removing the triple lock pension. I suppose we could reduce the number of nurses, doctors and police as well.

If the NHS and police were run properly you could certainly make savings in both by cutting out unnecessary wastage spent on tiers of employees that are not providing the front line services along with cutting back on capital expenditure projects. Plus cutting benefits for those that don't have a disability that would prevent them taking up work. I suspect there's a lot that could be cut at a local level too such as the cost of housing economic migrants. There must be a lot of money wasted by councils for council tax bills to be as high as they are or too many people are getting subsidised council tax bills, leaving an unfair burden upon those that are working in higher paid jobs.
 
So which public services do you wish to cut after 12 years of austerity? Seems like Truss's team are going for the easy target, removing the triple lock pension. I suppose we could reduce the number of nurses, doctors and police as well.

40,000 nurses left or retired last year, many of whom weren't retirement age. Luckily we are replacing them at a slightly higher rate albeit with completely new and untrained ones that cost a lot of money to train and obviously drain the resources of the existing pool of trained nurses.
 
If the NHS and police were run properly you could certainly make savings in both by cutting out unnecessary wastage spent on tiers of employees that are not providing the front line services along with cutting back on capital expenditure projects. Plus cutting benefits for those that don't have a disability that would prevent them taking up work. I suspect there's a lot that could be cut at a local level too such as the cost of housing economic migrants. There must be a lot of money wasted by councils for council tax bills to be as high as they are or too many people are getting subsidised council tax bills, leaving an unfair burden upon those that are working in higher paid jobs.


  • NHS managers make up circa 2 per cent of the workforce compared to 9.5 cent of the UK workforce.
  • In recent years the number of managers has been cut, at a time when the NHS is facing its biggest challenge.
  • The NHS as a whole is under, not over, managed. However, persistent and misleading media headlines continue to claim that the NHS is overmanaged.


The size of the capital expenditure budget for Estates/Facilities/IT is also substantially below where it needs to be. Essential maintenance is not taking place due to lack of funding. https://www.theguardian.com/society...er-of-collapsing-will-not-be-fixed-until-2035
 
40,000 nurses left or retired last year, many of whom weren't retirement age. Luckily we are replacing them at a slightly higher rate albeit with completely new and untrained ones that cost a lot of money to train and obviously drain the resources of the existing pool of trained nurses.
There’s a lot of reasons but the lifetime pension limits are one of those that really impacts NHS and other public service retention after a certain age.
 
  • NHS managers make up circa 2 per cent of the workforce compared to 9.5 cent of the UK workforce.
  • In recent years the number of managers has been cut, at a time when the NHS is facing its biggest challenge.
  • The NHS as a whole is under, not over, managed. However, persistent and misleading media headlines continue to claim that the NHS is overmanaged.


The size of the capital expenditure budget for Estates/Facilities/IT is also substantially below where it needs to be. Essential maintenance is not taking place due to lack of funding. https://www.theguardian.com/society...er-of-collapsing-will-not-be-fixed-until-2035

I've seen it first hand though to know. They don't need to be managers to be over inflated back end departments such as finance, HR and IT. There is a lot of waste including outsourced contracts for IT services.
 
If the NHS and police were run properly you could certainly make savings in both by cutting out unnecessary wastage spent on tiers of employees that are not providing the front line services along with cutting back on capital expenditure projects. Plus cutting benefits for those that don't have a disability that would prevent them taking up work. I suspect there's a lot that could be cut at a local level too such as the cost of housing economic migrants. There must be a lot of money wasted by councils for council tax bills to be as high as they are or too many people are getting subsidised council tax bills, leaving an unfair burden upon those that are working in higher paid jobs.

So you're saying that we should balance the £37 billion cost of the mini-budget, plus the £65 billion cost of the BoE's market intervention as a result, by primarily cutting the budgets of the NHS and police.

So, just for the record, I think that's pants on head insane.

But for the sake of argument, lets examine it a little further; would you mind putting some numbers on how much you think should be cut from each budget and explain why you think that cutting those budgets is going to improve the country.

Also, I would still really like an example of the red tape you'd like to see cut.
 
There’s a lot of reasons but the lifetime pension limits are one of those that really impacts NHS and other public service retention after a certain age.

Thats more doctors I thought. Nursing is just a ******* awful job and very poorly paid despite this. Certainly in my book.
 
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