2022 mini-budget discussion

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thenewoc said:
If the NHS and police were run properly you could certainly make savings in both by cutting out unnecessary wastage spent on tiers of employees that are not providing the front line services along with cutting back on capital expenditure projects. Plus cutting benefits for those that don't have a disability that would prevent them taking up work. I suspect there's a lot that could be cut at a local level too such as the cost of housing economic migrants. There must be a lot of money wasted by councils for council tax bills to be as high as they are or too many people are getting subsidised council tax bills, leaving an unfair burden upon those that are working in higher paid jobs.
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What exactly do you mean by run properly, and domyou have any examples of how they are not and what savings you could make?
 
GordyR said:
So you're saying that we should balance the £37 billion cost of the mini-budget, plus the £65 billion cost of the BoE's market intervention as a result, by primarily cutting the budgets of the NHS and police.

So, just for the record, I think that's pants on head insane.

But for the sake of argument, lets examine it a little further; would you mind putting some numbers on how much you think should be cut from each budget and explain why you think that cutting those budgets is going to improve the country.

Also, I would still really like an example of the red tape you'd like to see cut.
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Not as such because cutting budgets doesn't work. Turkey's don't vote for Christmas and NHS executives don't cut back end personnel, it usually results in a spending cap that affects hiring of doctors and nurses which is not the intended affect of cutting budgets. It's a failure of NHS executives to get a grip on their organisation because their reluctant to make people redundant in support roles that should not be required with modern processes and technology in place.

I also did not suggest the whole mini budget could be balanced from changes to the NHS alone.
 
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thenewoc said:
No as such because cutting budgets doesn't work. Turkey's don't vote for Christmas and NHS executives don't cut back end personnel, it usually results in a spending cap that affects hiring of doctors and nurses which is not the intended affect of cutting budgets. It's a failure of NHS executives to get a grip on their organisation because their reluctant to make people redundant in support roles that should not be required with modern processes and technology in place.

I also did not suggest the whole mini budget could be balanced from changes to the NHS alone.
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Support roles such as?
 
omnomnom said:
Support roles such as?
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Less people working in HR since they now almost all use NHS HR shared services, less people in IT managing support tickets as a middle person task that is batted off to an outsourced company, less bean counters in finance who are the worst Turkeys of all as finance is always the best place to work for a cushy position.
 
thenewoc said:
I've seen it first hand though to know. They don't need to be managers to be over inflated back end departments such as finance, HR and IT. There is a lot of waste including outsourced contracts for IT services.
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Would you take one for the team and lose your job to help the ol' country out.
 
thenewoc said:
I also did not suggest the whole mini budget could be balanced from changes to the NHS alone.
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That's why I asked you to put some rough numbers on what you think should come from each area you mentioned.

Remember, you said that markets were reacting positively to the idea that the cost of the mini-budget was going to be balanced by shrinking the state and cutting red tape.

No experts agree that that's the case, but it's your view.

So how much would you take from the NHS and how much from the police, and why should we consider this to be beneficial to the country?

Also, have you come up with any examples of efficiency saving, red-tape cutting that will in your words, "grow jobs" yet?
 
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Uther said:
Would you take one for the team and lose your job to help the ol' country out.
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Those at the top aren't taking one for the team and helping the country out though and neither are the ranks below them. It's badly run and needs to work back from their budgets and cut it's cloth accordingly, staffing back end departments with what it can afford and thus leaving enough over to fund the required number of doctors and nurses to address the likely demand and deal with the back log.
 
GordyR said:
That's why I asked you to put some rough numbers on what you think should come from each area you mentioned.

Remember, you said that markets were reacting positively to the idea that the cost of the mini-budget was going to be balanced by shrinking the state and cutting red tape.

How much would you take from the NHS and how much from the police, and why should we consider this to be beneficial to the country?

Also, have you come up with any examples of efficiency saving, red-tape cutting that will in your words, "grow jobs" yet?
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I'm not the chancellor and this is not SC, it's general discussion of people giving a flavour of their opinions.

Any red tape being cut will help a business since it's putting less burden upon businesses so all such cuts help a business to be more productive which takes businesses in the direction of being able to spend their money on expansion.
 
Just coming back to my comment the other day about how thenewoc doesn't argue in good faith at all, but will change his argument at the drop of a hat, so it's pointless trying to get something out of him as he'll just change his tune to what the latest 3 word slogan that he's been told to parrot.

Here's just one of many prior examples of thenewoc arguing that unskilled workers need to be paid more to do the job and we needed to get rid of the immigrants so the native workers can get paid more.

Devilman said:
So when are you signing up for one of these unskilled jobs that you seem to think people will be jumping at the opportunity to do?

There is a reason why we have mainly imported labour for picking our veg etc..
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thenewoc said:
If we weren't allowing businesses to favour an EU workforce on cheaper wages than local alternatives then people would do those jobs because they'd be payed at a higher rate but individuals currently won't take them because the EU workers are undercutting what a UK employee needs to live on.
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And now when it suits him just from this week
chrcoluk said:
What are the current higher than necessary wages?
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thenewoc said:
Anything above NMW for doing an unskilled job.
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thenewoc said:
I'm not the chancellor and this is not SC, it's general discussion of people giving a flavour of their opinions.

Any red tape being cut will help a business since it's putting less burden upon businesses so all such cuts help a business to be more productive which takes businesses in the direction of being able to spend their money on expansion.
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BLUE TAPE
 
Freakbro said:
Just coming back to my comment the other day about how thenewoc doesn't argue in good faith at all, but will change his argument at the drop of a hat, so it's pointless trying to get something out of him as he'll just change his tune to what the latest 3 word slogan that he's been told to parrot.

Here's just one of many prior examples of thenewoc arguing that unskilled workers need to be paid more to do the job and we needed to get rid of the immigrants so the native workers can get paid more.





And now when it suits him just from this week



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Aren't you pulling in a separate discussion here from SC? One that I haven't denied is the case, in this thread I've said the country shouldn't be topping up those wages so completely consistent with companies paying more where necessary rather than the tax payer.
 
thenewoc said:
I'm not the chancellor and this is not SC, it's general discussion of people giving a flavour of their opinions.
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You're not being asked to deliver an in-depth budget. You made a sweeping claim, that completely flies in the face of all evidence.

If you think that balancing the huge cost of the mini-budget by shrinking the budgets of the NHS and the police is a good idea, then it's not unreasonable to ask you by how much you would cut each.

thenewoc said:
Any red tape being cut will help a business since it's putting less burden upon businesses so all such cuts help a business to be more productive which takes businesses in the direction of being able to spend their money on expansion.
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Yeah, I'm just asking for one example and an explanation of why you think it would be a good idea... Still...
 
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