2022 mini-budget discussion

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Loads of councils dont have enough money to supply the level of service they are legally obligated to and you want to cut their money more?????????????

I'm not surprised with trying to accommodate around 8000 irregular migrants being brought ashore every week. (There's my migrant bit someone was missing earlier) ;)
 
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So OBR will have their assessment report on the mini budget done and presented to the Govt next week but the Treasury will not release it to the public until the 23rd November.

Wonder why? If it was going to put the markets mind at ease surely they would publish on the 7th October?

 
So OBR will have their assessment report on the mini budget done and presented to the Govt next week but the Treasury will not release it to the public until the 23rd November.

Wonder why? If it was going to put the markets mind at ease surely they would publish on the 7th October?

IEA need to edit it after they converse with the nearest facebook astrological society.
 
So OBR will have their assessment report on the mini budget done and presented to the Govt next week but the Treasury will not release it to the public until the 23rd November.

Wonder why? If it was going to put the markets mind at ease surely they would publish on the 7th October?

Gives them time to get it ready for public release.
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Conservative Incompetence (TM)

So how much money have you made out of "Conservative Incompetence" this week, all their mates are apparently raking it in, must be like taking candy from a baby, they're idiots and so the collective brains of Speaker's Corner must have used their idiocy (or even alleged corruption) to their financial advantage??? Or have they wasted the week moaning about things on here, and the opportunities have slipped through keyboard weary fingers? ;)
 
Not as such because cutting budgets doesn't work. Turkey's don't vote for Christmas and NHS executives don't cut back end personnel, it usually results in a spending cap that affects hiring of doctors and nurses which is not the intended affect of cutting budgets. It's a failure of NHS executives to get a grip on their organisation because their reluctant to make people redundant in support roles that should not be required with modern processes and technology in place.

I also did not suggest the whole mini budget could be balanced from changes to the NHS alone.
The NHS is already doing this; Integrated Care Systems/Boards, the merging of Trusts and previously Clinical Commissioning Groups have resulted in a reduction of back office staff - a lot of the time this mean not filling positions as people left rather than voluntary or mandatory redundancies.
 
So how much money have you made out of "Conservative Incompetence" this week, all their mates are apparently raking it in, must be like taking candy from a baby, they're idiots and so the collective brains of Speaker's Corner must have used their idiocy (or even alleged corruption) to their financial advantage??? Or have they wasted the week moaning about things on here, and the opportunities have slipped through keyboard weary fingers? ;)

I'm confused by this.

Are you trying to say that you think that people who regularly post in "Speakers Corner" should have known in advance that the mini-budget would contain massively inflationary policies and a huge amount of borrowing? And as such, should have shorted the pound? :confused:

What an odd view...

Anyway, I benefit hugely from these tax cuts, I'm exactly the kind of person that this budget was intended to enrich; but the policies are breathtakingly stupid and damaging to the economy.

That's what people are complaining about.

If you think that people wouldn't be complaining about the economic damage if they'd had the foresight to short the pound, then that says more about you than them I think.
 
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yes his social media feed is lacking data
Record numbers of nurses are quitting the NHS in England, figures show.
More than 40,000 have walked away from the NHS in the past year - one in nine of the workforce, an analysis by the Nuffield Trust think tank for the BBC revealed.
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I'm confused by this.

Are you trying to say that you think that people who regularly post in "Speakers Corner" should have known in advance that the mini-budget would contain massively inflationary policies and a huge amount of borrowing? And as such, should have shorted the pound? :confused:

What an odd view...

Anyway, I benefit hugely from these tax cuts, I'm exactly the kind of person that this budget was intended to enrich; but the policies are breathtakingly stupid and damaging to the economy.

That's what people are complaining about.

If you think that people wouldn't be complaining about the economic damage if they'd had the foresight to short the pound, then that says more about you than them I think.

Bets on shorting the pound are something those that feel they have a grasp of how the economy is going make. They can win, or they can lose. You don't need insider knowledge, how many that bet on such things do you believe have insider information? The majority use their knowledge of economics and risk to bet, something which there seems to no lack of claims to in SC :)

These people said Brexit wouldn't happen. They were wrong. They said Trump wouldn't become President of the United States of America, they were wrong. They said the EU countries wouldn't start to vote the Right in, they were wrong.

Their luck's gotta change, perhaps now is the time for a flutter on the pound to see if that moment has arrived? :) But I think you are saying betting on shorting the pound is somehow unpatriotic for an Englishman? Making the bet somehow influences the country's economic future?
 
  • NHS managers make up circa 2 per cent of the workforce compared to 9.5 cent of the UK workforce.
  • In recent years the number of managers has been cut, at a time when the NHS is facing its biggest challenge.
  • The NHS as a whole is under, not over, managed. However, persistent and misleading media headlines continue to claim that the NHS is overmanaged.


The size of the capital expenditure budget for Estates/Facilities/IT is also substantially below where it needs to be. Essential maintenance is not taking place due to lack of funding. https://www.theguardian.com/society...er-of-collapsing-will-not-be-fixed-until-2035

This man talks sense. @thenewoc cmon dude you seem to be the resident expert so what position did you hold in the NHS to identify cuts to 'middle management' that would pay for this nonsense budget
 
Bets on shorting the pound are something those that feel they have a grasp of how the economy is going make. They can win, or they can lose. You don't need insider knowledge, how many that bet on such things do you believe have insider information? The majority use their knowledge of economics and risk to bet, something which there seems to no lack of claims to in SC :)

These people said Brexit wouldn't happen. They were wrong. They said Trump wouldn't become President of the United States of America, they were wrong. They said the EU countries wouldn't start to vote the Right in, they were wrong.

Their luck's gotta change, perhaps now is the time for a flutter on the pound to see if that moment has arrived? :) But I think you are saying betting on shorting the pound is somehow unpatriotic for an Englishman? Making the bet somehow influences the country's economic future?

Brexit was a 50/50 call and so was Trump. As for voting the right in, according to our new Govt economic policies we now have the most right wing in the EU, almost the entire world. We are several degrees right of the Brothers of Italy party. Now that I didn't see coming to the UK as I could never conceive that they would win a GE on that ticket. I never expected them to infiltrate the Conservative party and kick our all the moderates and take over.

Pretty sure you never saw that coming either?
 
Bets on shorting the pound are something those that feel they have a grasp of how the economy is going make.

Now i'm even more confused? Do you think that everyone with a background in economics spends their time trading? :confused:

Am I completely missing the point you're trying to make here or something?

You seem to be implying that anyone who doesn't like the damage that this braindead budget is going to cause are just being sore losers because they didn't short the pound.

These people said Brexit wouldn't happen. They were wrong.

What people? What are you talking about? The evidence indicated that a 48/52 split was the likely outcome and that's what happened.

Why are you bringing that up and what do you think it has to do with anything being discussed in this thread?

They said Trump wouldn't become President of the United States of America, they were wrong. They said the EU countries wouldn't start to vote the Right in, they were wrong.

Again? What are you talking about?

The evidence indicated that Hillary would win the popular vote and she did.

Who said that Trump wouldn't become President and again, what does that have to do with anything?

But I think you are saying betting on shorting the pound is somehow unpatriotic for an Englishman? Making the bet somehow influences the country's economic future?

Wowsers...

Honestly, that was a pretty weird tirade even for you, are you feeling okay?
 
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Brexit was a 50/50 call and so was Trump. As for voting the right in, according to our new Govt economic policies we now have the most right wing in the EU, almost the entire world. We are several degrees right of the Brothers of Italy party. Now that I didn't see coming to the UK as I could never conceive that they would win a GE on that ticket. I never expected them to infiltrate the Conservative party and kick our all the moderates and take over.

Pretty sure you never saw that coming either?
I certainly did see it coming, check my previous posts where I told people on these very forums to be careful what they wish for in wanting to get rid of Boris Johnson, but their seething hatred presumably blinded them to the probability of a more Right leaning PM taking his place. Boris was a Liberal, but obviously not Liberal enough. We are where we are, (and thanks for helping put us there, Boris haters!) :)
 
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Someone on £30k buying a £600k house :rolleyes:

There is a reason why Kwasi stopped the OBR releasing their numbers, the reason is that they are complete ********.

Reminds me of a PMQ session after it came out Hague drank 14 pints a day as a teen. Blair said something along the lines of 'they want to cut x tax, cut y tax, yet claim they won't reduce public spending. I suppose after 14 pints it all adds up.'
 
Anyone can short the pound, or anything else for that matter. But information from a countries chancellor sure changes the odds of success.
 
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