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Isn't Amazon's warehouses mainly 2 - 4 people, keeping an eye on any machine failures?
Amazon hire loads of warehouse workers, these use automation in some areas but most is still done by hand. They have over 75,000 workers in the UK alone across the business.

Ocado is probably one of the better examples of using automation to replace workers. They still hire a lot of people but their picking warehouse is very impressive.
 
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Isn't Amazon's warehouses mainly 2 - 4 people, keeping an eye on any machine failures?
amazon has robots assisting humans not replacing them, so just increasing a worker's efficiency for now.

have you seen ocado warehouse as it seems like 2-3 people watching thousands of robots, I wonder how many thousands of employees they would have needed


AI isn't making anything cheaper either it's just increasing profit margins and replacing jobs.

soon the only thing left for humans will be gig workers.. it's like the quest system from games in real life :S
 
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How creative is the human checkout assistant, you're lucky in most cases to get a smile and greeting from them and are you prepared to pay more for it?
I like the automated checkouts but sometimes when doing a big shop, its not worth dealing with rubbish scales. Then there is waiting for someone to come over a reset the scales or fix any other areas.

However I have noticed that the shops near me are about 50/50 self checkout to human operated tills.
 
amazon has robots assisting humans not replacing them, so just increasing a worker's efficiency for now.

have you seen ocado warehouse as it seems like 2-3 people watching thousands of robots, I wonder how many thousands of employees they would have needed


AI isn't making anything cheaper either it's just increasing profit margins and replacing jobs.

soon the only thing left for humans will be gig workers.. it's like the quest system from games in real life :S


Good, humans are ****s, the sooner AI kills us all the better.
 
Amazon hire loads of warehouse workers, these use automation in some areas but most is still done by hand. They have over 75,000 workers in the UK alone across the business.

Ocado is probably one of the better examples of using automation to replace workers. They still hire a lot of people but their picking warehouse is very impressive.

I remember hearing they had loads of employees, even more when some other businesses went bust and during the lockdown. I once remember seeing a very big warehouse working away being shown on Sky News around 2012/13 only showing 2 - 4 walking about. Though you saw some loading all the conveyer belts with tubs of goods in between some of the machines.

I also remember how organised the whole layout, structure and cleanliness of the place. Let alone the speed.
 
Good, humans are ****s, the sooner AI kills us all the better.

as a side note, I'm in the early stages of setting up a pro climate change movement. I don't think the forum has the trust messaging system now so can't email you directly. Would you be interested in learning more? Think of us like an exact opposite of extinction rebellion.

Pro planet, not pro human
 
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Public toilet cleaning? Street cleaning? Do bin men count, know how to operate the bin lorry? Is a postman out delivering classed as unskilled, driving about then walking and delivering letters and parcels? Van drivers/couriers? Supermarket home deliveries? Are train drivers unskilled? Sitting in the engine observing the lights, lights in the cabin/signals, working a lever even though they're getting quite nice wages. Or bus drivers? Granted they have a lot of responsibility for the safety for who is onboard.
Who knows, all we've got is a like from thenewoc and the addition of those in hospitality such as waiters, shop & bar staff.
That's why it won't work because you can't simply continue to grow populations, its unstainable.
Well it's worked OK for the last 200k years.
 
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as a side note, I'm in the early stages of setting up a pro climate change movement. I don't think the forum has the trust messaging system now so can't email you directly. Would you be interested in learning more? Think of us like an exact opposite of extinction rebellion.

Pro planet, not pro human

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as a side note, I'm in the early stages of setting up a pro climate change movement. I don't think the forum has the trust messaging system now so can't email you directly. Would you be interested in learning more? Think of us like an exact opposite of extinction rebellion.

Pro planet, not pro human
You click peoples name and then "start conversation" but they have to allow members to message them in their privacy settings
 
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You’re right, I wasn’t meaning you were saying that the “60% rate” was a bad thing. I was just commenting to make a point that it’s not really a concern and who cares if there’s a 60% rate for super high earners. Didn’t mean to make it about you and I should have worded it better!
Apologies!

Sorry, not sure if you've misread this, but the 60% effective tax rate isn't for "super high earners", it kicks in at 100k which is very slightly above the average salary for a full-time worker in the City of London (which was £94k in 2021 apparently). The same people who will have the largest mortgages that are going to go up by the largest amounts with the interest rate rises.

The amount it kicks in at hasn't changed at all since 2009. If it had followed inflation, it should be at £142k now, which would reduce the number of people affected by it hugely.

Am I saying that people earning 100-125k are poor? No, of course they're not, but they're hardly rolling around in cash. "Super high earners" earn multiple hundreds of thousands/millions/billions. I still find it amazing that the government and media have managed to convince the general public (especially in super low cost areas) to think that those doing long hours in mid-level professional services jobs on low six figures are their "enemy" when they're closer to the general public than they are to the actual super high earners.
 
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