2022 mini-budget discussion

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The average is the average. Most housing stock in this country isn't well insulated and great on energy usage. Hell, if you want to, put the tiers in above the average usage point.

People with solar and batteries won't benefit that much from the cap either way.

Those with medical needs can get an exemption like any other special case.

People on pensions can get an exemption if needs be.

Working from home is much cheaper than going to an office for the majority of people. Extra heating isn't a big deal in the grand scheme of the savings. If I was going to london each day or even driving to work I would probably spend between £5-50/day vs the few quid extra the heating would cost.

Have lower cost overnight tariffs. Few people are going to be going to EVs over the next few years even with the cap unless they are quite wealthy. I don't think this is the thing that would inhibit their uptake.

There is no fair system but you weight up what is the most fair. And I don't think that subsidising the highest users of gas and electricity to the same level as the normal users is the right way to do it. The cost of this is astronomical and the current plan is a bad one in my opinion.

Fair dos I disagree with most things you say but its that, simply opinion.

I would say though for your way to work you must have far more confidence in the energy companies that I do. All the exemptions etc and tiered pricing sounds like something they would mess up beyond belief.
They don't even seem to be able to get accurate billing done most of the time.
 
Well they cry out for everything else. Plus the Chinese and indians are buying discounted oil.

I guess finding a better source of energy has just be accelerated.
 
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The biggest problem has been that tax bands have not been adjusted in line with inflation, which means more and more people have ended up in the higher bands of tax. This includes the 100 - 125 loss of personal allowance. The other problem I have with it is that few are aware that the highest rate of tax in the UK is actually 62% because of it - it feels like a stealth tax in many ways, and people tend to only raise concerns once they are personally affected (although that's true of most things!).

Good to see this being recognised by the IFS.

 
Good to see this being recognised by the IFS.


Didn't they tell everyone not to give out pay rises? :o


Truss is going to continue to be in for a bumpy ride ahead as more public services join in the strikes. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-63150632
 
can't we give the 100K a rest - go and join the private sector where you get remuneration via (pipelineable) stock options - shush

Truss running of to the EU for a boondoggle despite initially snubbing it - will be interesting to see demeanor with Macron.
- temporary reprieve from the turmoil here, to see if they'll give us some of their gas when it counts, maybe offer an olive branch for NIP resolution which would help triple-growth.
 
Good to see this being recognised by the IFS.


Can someone explain this to a mere simpleton such as myself?

Doesn't this "Calculation" have to assume that, because of inflation, workers will get a pay rise?

And also assume that pay rise pushes them into a higher tax bracket?
 
Can someone explain this to a mere simpleton such as myself?

Doesn't this "Calculation" have to assume that, because of inflation, workers will get a pay rise?

And also assume that pay rise pushes them into a higher tax bracket?

Yep pretty much

Normal pay rises will all in effect be taxable since the COL element in moving tax bands up has been stopped. It wasnt her it was Rishi that brought this in with Boris.
So over time people close to a higher band will move into it. And even if you get a COL pay rise it will be less than COL once you pay extra tax.
 
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They are right now, but if we had variable (tiered) pricing instead of caps it would be very critical. Which is why i think its a bad idea personally, far too many combinations to make fair.
Imagine if you had the same elec units at the same pricing as a dual fuel user as someone else was given who only used elec!

I'd like to see the panic in the industry if they tried some weird and wonderful capping method. The chaos behind the scenes with the work involved in billing and invoicing would be epic.
 
Fair dos I disagree with most things you say but its that, simply opinion.

I would say though for your way to work you must have far more confidence in the energy companies that I do. All the exemptions etc and tiered pricing sounds like something they would mess up beyond belief.
They don't even seem to be able to get accurate billing done most of the time.
Thats the biggest hurdle really, we have suppliers who are stuck in the stone age with their billing methods and platform, even now with a simple EPG subsidy there is people reporting incorrect information from the supplier's website dashboard.

Smart meter rollout seems half hearted, people with broken smart meters just get told to send in readings instead of it been fixed/replaced. What they did in France is an example of a proper smart meter rollout.

No tiered tariffs which exist in other countries.

Only one supplier doing TOU tariffs which has clear benefits been shown right now, gas lower than the April cap, as it reacts to immediate market changes. Although a lot of British consumers are risk averse, and so TOU only works really if a reasonable cap is set.
 
I'd like to see the panic in the industry if they tried some weird and wonderful capping method. The chaos behind the scenes with the work involved in billing and invoicing would be epic.
Nationalise the whole lot, put in place a standard tiered system (maybe link to council tax bands) across the whole market. Take the mkney that used to go to shareholders into renewable generation and home insulation schemes for low earners instead.
 
Nationalise the whole lot, put in place a standard tiered system (maybe link to council tax bands) across the whole market. Take the mkney that used to go to shareholders into renewable generation and home insulation schemes for low earners instead.

Allowing so many small companies to enter the energy supply market was a stupid idea, it's really an industry that does yield economies of scale, and it's actually a fairly complex thing to run an energy company, you need a lot of experience and talent.

For example, my job is making sure that all the meters in the country are read at the right time. None of the energy companies do it themselves to any great degree, it doesnt make sense for 13 or whatever different meter readers to walk the same street, so we do it on their behalf, add some consumer cost in the way of our profit, and send them the results.
 
Thats the biggest hurdle really, we have suppliers who are stuck in the stone age with their billing methods and platform, even now with a simple EPG subsidy there is people reporting incorrect information from the supplier's website dashboard.

Smart meter rollout seems half hearted, people with broken smart meters just get told to send in readings instead of it been fixed/replaced. What they did in France is an example of a proper smart meter rollout.

No tiered tariffs which exist in other countries.

Only one supplier doing TOU tariffs which has clear benefits been shown right now, gas lower than the April cap, as it reacts to immediate market changes. Although a lot of British consumers are risk averse, and so TOU only works really if a reasonable cap is set.

Most of, like 99.9% of the smart meter issues were due to SMETS1, and how they in effect became dumb if you moved supplier. Really a typical government lack of foresight.
@wesimmo sounds like the guy who may know, but iirc around now most were expected to be smart again.
Certainly many people who had smets1 that went dumb are now reporting working smart meters again.

iirc it was something to do with where they sent the data and that was in effect company specific with SMETS1
 
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